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Bava Basra 36

BAVA BASRA 36 - Today's learning has been dedicated l'Iluy Nishmas Meir ben Reb Benzion Sand (Yahrzeit: 14 Iyar) by his grandchildren, Zvi and Tamara Sand of Yerushalayim and Dedi and Malca Graucher of Petach Tikva.

1) INVALID CHAZAKOS

(a) (Rav Yehudah): If a Yisrael (Shimon) bought property from a Nochri, his law is like that of a Nochri;
1. Just as a Nochri is not believed on account of Chazakah, he must show a document, also one who bought from him (must show a document in which the original owner (Levi) sold to the Nochri).
2. If Shimon says that the Nochri told him 'I bought it from Levi', he is believed.
3. Objection: The Nochri himself is not believed to say this, all the more so Shimon is not believed to say this in the Nochri's name!
4. (Rava): Rather, If Shimon says 'I saw the Nochri buy it from Levi', he is believed, Migo he could have said 'I bought it from Levi'.
(b) (Rav Yehudah): If Reuven held reaping tools and said 'I am going to reap (Tosfos - this is the correct text, as above (33B)) Shimon's tree, I bought it from him', he is believed, for a person is not so brazen to reap another's produce.
(c) (Rav Yehudah): A Chazakah in the land outside a wall around a field (which the owner normally seeds and allows animals to eat it, so they will not enter his field) is not a Chazakah.
(d) Question: Why not?
(e) Answer: The owner does not care about what grows there, he allows animals to eat it (so he did not protest).
(f) Version #1 (our text, Rashbam) - (Rav Yehudah): Eating Orlah does not contribute to the years of Chazakah (it is forbidden to benefit from Orlah, therefore the owner did not protest).
(g) Support (Beraisa): Eating Orlah, Shemitah or Kilayim does not contribute to the years of Chazakah.
(h) Version #2 - Tosfos - (Rav Yehudah): Using Orlah (e.g. the vines themselves, which are permitted) is valid for Chazakah (this is the maximum benefit one can get from Orlah).
(i) Support (Beraisa): Using Orlah, Shemitah or Kilayim is valid for Chazakah. (End of Version #2)
(j) (Rav Yosef): Reaping (the produce prematurely when it is still) fodder is not a Chazakah (this is not normal usage of a field).
(k) (Rava): In a place where people (have many animals and) normally reap fodder, it is a Chazakah.
(l) Version #1 - Rashbam - (Rav Nachman): Occupying an (unfarmable) field full of cracks is not a Chazakah.
(m) Version #2 - R. Chananel - (Rav Nachman): Farming a field without plowing (rather, allowing wind and sun to crack the earth) is not a Chazakah.
2) CHAZAKAH OF GODEROS
(a) (Mishnah): And slaves...
(b) Question: But Reish Lakish taught that there is no Chazakah on Goderos (anything that can walk by itself, i.e. animals or slaves).
(c) Answer (Rava): They do not have an immediate Chazakah (to assume that one who holds them owns them), but Chazakah applies after three years.
(d) (Rava): Immediate Chazakah applies to an infant slave in a crib.
(e) Objection: This is obvious (he cannot walk)!
(f) Answer: One might have thought, we are concerned that his mother brought him and left him here - Rava teaches, we are not concerned, she would not forget her son.
(g) Some goats were eating peeled barley in Neharde'a; the owners of the barley seized the goats, and was claiming a large loss.
1. (Shmuel's father): He can claim up to the goats' value, for he could have said that he bought them.
(h) Question: But Reish Lakish taught that there is no Chazakah on Goderos!
(i) Answer: Goats are different, a shepherd watches them (so they would not walk off by themselves).
(j) Question: But the goats walk unattended in the morning to the shepherd, and return unattended at night!
(k) Answer: In Neharde'a, there are many thieves, people do not leave goats unattended.
3) IS PLOWING A CHAZAKAH?
(a) (Mishnah): R. Yishmael says, three months...
(b) Suggestion: The Tana'im argue whether plowing makes a Chazakah.
1. R. Yishmael holds that plowing does not make a Chazakah, R. Akiva holds that it does.
(c) Rejection: If so, why does R. Akiva require a month (in the first and third years)? One day of plowing should suffice!
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(d) Rather, all agree that plowing does not make a Chazakah; they argue whether one must eat produce that needs much time to grow, or if fast-growing produce suffices.
(e) (Beraisa): Plowing does not make a Chazakah; some say, it is a Chazakah.
(f) Question: Who says that it is a Chazakah?
(g) Answer (Rav Chisda): R. Acha.
1. (Beraisa): If Reuven plowed a field (without seeding it) for two (or one) years and seeded it for one (or two) years, this is not a Chazakah;
2. R. Acha says, this is a Chazakah.
(h) Question (Rav Bivi): What is R. Acha's reason? (i) Answer (Rav Nachman): An owner would not keep quiet if he saw someone plow his field.
(j) Question (Rav Bivi): Why do Chachamim argue?
(k) Answer (Rav Nachman): An owner is very happy if others plow his field, it will be more fertile when he wants to plant!
(l) Question (people of Fum Nahara): Is plowing a Chazakah?
(m) Answer (Rav Nachman bar Rav Chisda): R. Acha and all the Gedolim of our generation say that it is.
(n) Objection (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): Many Gedolim say that it is not - Rav and Shmuel in Bavel, R. Akiva and R. Yishmael in Eretz Yisrael!
(o) Question: We concluded above (from the Mishnah) that R. Akiva and R. Yishmael say that it is not; what is the source that Rav agrees?
(p) Answer: Rav Yehudah cited Rav to say 'Chachamim argue on R. Akiva and R. Yishmael, and require three years from day to day.
1. Question: What does he come to exclude by saying 'from day to day'?
2. Answer: That plowing is not a Chazakah.
(q) Question: What is the source that Shmuel agrees?
(r) Answer: Rav Yehudah cited Shmuel to say 'Chachamim argue on R. Akiva and R. Yishmael, and require three harvests of dates, three olive harvests, or three grape harvests.'
4) WHAT IS NEEDED FOR CHAZAKAH?
(a) Question: What is the difference between Rav and Shmuel?
(b) Version #1 - Rashbam - Answer (Abaye): A young date tree (it yields three harvests in less than three years; this is enough according to Shmuel, but Rav requires three full years.
(c) Version #2 - R. Chananel - Answer (Abaye): A date tree whose dates fall off. (According to Shmuel, he has no Chazakah until he stays three years and harvests three harvests; according to Rav, it suffices that he worked the field for three years.
(d) (Mishnah - R. Yishmael): This applies to a grain field... (regarding trees, a date harvest, an olive harvest and a grape harvest makes a Chazakah).
(e) (Abaye): (Shmuel explained that Chachamim argue with R. Yishmael, but only regarding three years); we infer Chachamim's opinion from R. Yishmael.
1. If there were 30 trees, 10 per Beis Se'ah, and Reuven ate the fruit of 10 of them each year, this is a Chazakah.
i. R. Yishmael says that eating three different fruits is a Chazakah, i.e. a Chazakah on one part of the field (e.g. where the dates grow) is a Chazakah for the whole field;
ii. Here also, eating 10 is like using the entire property!
2. This is only if only 10 trees produced - if more produced and he did not harvest them, this is not a Chazakah.
3. It is a Chazakah only if the 10 he ate each year are spread among the entire property.
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