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Bava Basra 79
BAVA BASRA 78 & 79 - dedicated by an admirer of the work of the
Dafyomi Advancement Forum, l'Iluy Nishmas Mrs. Gisela (Golda
bas Reb Chaim Yitzchak Ozer) and Reb Yisroel Shimon (ben Reb
Shlomo) Turkel, A"H.
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1) ONE WHO CEASES TO LEARN
(a) (Rav Yehudah): Anyone who ceases to learn Torah is
consumed by fire - "Veha'Esh Tochelem".
(b) (Rav Dimi): Anyone who separates himself from learning
Torah falls to Gehinom - "To'eh mi'Derech Haskel Bi'Khal
Refa'im Yanu'ach";
1. 'Refa'im' refers to Gehinom - "Refa'im Sham b'Imkei
She'ol".
2) THINGS THAT BECOME FULL
(a) (Mishnah): If one sells a wasteheap, the manure is
included...
(b) (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): If something is fit for (can be
offered on) the Altar but not for Bedek ha'Bayis, or is
only fit for Hekdesh Bedek ha'Bayis, or is not fit for
either, Me'ilah applies to it and its contents;
1. If one was Makdish a pit full of water, a wasteheap
full of manure, a dovecote full of doves, a field
full of grass, or a tree laden with fruit, Me'ilah
applies to it and its contents;
2. But if he was Makdish an empty pit (or wasteheap...)
and it became full of water (or manure...), Me'ilah
applies to it, not to what came later.
3. R. Yosi says, if one was Makdish a field or a tree,
Me'ilah applies to it and what grows, for what grows
is Hekdesh.
(c) (Beraisa - Rebbi): I agree with R. Yehudah regarding a
pit and dovecote, and with R. Yosi regarding a field and
tree.
(d) Question: What does this mean?!
1. We understand that he agrees with R. Yehudah
regarding a pit and dovecote, implying that they
argue regarding a field and tree (and there he holds
like R. Yosi);
2. But saying 'I agree with R. Yosi regarding a field
and tree' implies that they argue regarding a pit
and dovecote - R. Yosi did not argue about these!
3. Suggestion: Perhaps R. Yosi addresses R. Yehudah
according to R. Yehudah's reasoning ('I argue in all
cases; I understand why you (R. Yehudah) argue about
a pit and dovecote, but you should admit regarding a
field or tree, for what grows is Hekdesh'!).
4. Rejection (Beraisa - R. Yosi): I disagree with R.
Yehudah regarding a field and tree, for what grows
is Hekdesh.
i. Inference: He agrees regarding a pit and
dovecote!
(e) Answer: Rebbi means, R. Yosi agrees with R. Yehudah
regarding a pit and dovecote, R. Yosi only argues
regarding a field and tree.
(f) (Beraisa): If one was Makdish them when they are empty
and then they became full, Me'ilah applies to it, not to
what came later;
(g) R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon says, Me'ilah applies also to
what came later.
(h) (Rabah): They argue about a field and tree: the first
Tana holds like R. Yehudah, R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon
holds like R. Yosi;
1. All agree regarding a pit and dovecote (that Me'ilah
applies to the contents).
(i) Question (Abaye - Beraisa): If one was Makdish them when
they are full, Me'ilah applies to them and their
contents;
(j) R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon switches (what he said when one
was Makdish them empty, here he says that Me'ilah does
not apply to the contents).
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1. If R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon argued about a field and
tree, why does he switch his opinion?
(k) Retraction (Rabah): They argue about a pit and dovecote;
1. All agree regarding a field and tree that Me'ilah
applies to them and their contents.
(l) Question: Regarding a pit and dovecote, about what do
they argue, when they are initially empty and when they
are initially full?
(m) Answer - part 1: When they are initially empty, they
argue as R. Meir and Chachamim argue.
1. The first Tana holds like Chachamim, that a person
cannot transfer ownership of (or Makdish) something
that is not yet in the world;
2. R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon holds like R. Meir, a
person can transfer ownership of something that is
not yet in the world.
3. Question: R. Meir only said that regarding fruits of
a date tree, for they normally grow - but an empty
pit or dovecote will not fill itself!
4. Answer (Rava): The case is, the pit is at the bottom
of an incline (water normally flows into it), the
dovecote is near a thriving dovecote (offspring from
the full dovecote will presumably inhabit the empty
one).
(n) Question - part 2: When they are initially full, about
what do they argue?
(o) Answer (Rava): If he said 'The pit (or dovecote) is
Hekdesh' without specifying;
1. R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon holds like his father: we
learn the law of Hekdesh from the law of commoners;
i. A seller could say, I only sold the pit, not
the water; likewise, the pit becomes Hekdesh,
not the water.
2. (The first Tana does not learn the law of Hekdesh
from the law of commoners - Maharshal deletes this
from the text.)
(p) Question: Is it really true that a seller could say, I
only sold the pit?
1. (Mishnah): If one sells a pit, the water is
included.
(q) Answer (Rava): That Mishnah is the opinion of one Tana,
Chachamim argue.
1. (Beraisa): If one sells a pit, the water is not
included; R. Noson says, the water is included.
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