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Bava Basra 159
1) THE MOST DIFFICULT MONETARY LAW
(a) (Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael): Reuven borrowed from his
father (Yakov) in Yakov's lifetime, and he died; Reuven
takes from the buyers (this will be corrected and
explained); this is among the most difficult monetary
laws.
(b) Objection #1: Why does borrowing entitle him to take from
buyers?
(c) Objection #2: The teaching did not mention that anyone
bought anything!
(d) Correction - Version #1: Rather, Reuven sold his father's
property in Yakov's lifetime, and Reuven died, Reuven's
son (Chanoch) takes from the buyers;
1. This is among the most difficult monetary laws - why
can't the buyers say 'You do not inherit what your
father sold!'?
(e) Objection: This is not difficult! Chanoch can say, I do
not take because I inherit Reuven, rather, because I
inherit Yakov.
1. Support: "Tachas Avosecha Yihyu Vanecha" (your
(Reuven's) sons will be in your father's stead, i.e.
they inherit him).
(f) Correction - Version #2: Rather, the following was
considered difficult.
(g) A firstborn (Reuven) sold his extra portion in Yakov's
lifetime, and Reuven died; Chanoch takes from the buyers;
1. This is among the most difficult monetary laws - why
can't the buyers say, 'You do not inherit what your
father sold!'?
i. Suggestion: Chanoch can say, I do not take
because I inherit Reuven, rather, because I
inherit Yakov.
ii. Rejection: The law is true even if Chanoch
(Rashbam; R. Gershom - Yakov) is not a
firstborn, surely the extra portion is on
account of Reuven!
(h) Objection: This is not difficult! Chanoch can say, I
inherit Yakov; I am in place of my father, therefore I
get the extra portion!
(i) Correction - Version #3: Rather, the following was
considered difficult.
(j) Shimon signed on a document for Moshe before Shimon
stole; later, he stole. Shimon cannot verify his
signature, others can testify about it.
1. This is among the most difficult monetary laws -
since we do not trust Shimon, why does it help if
others recognize his signature (perhaps he did not
sign on the date of the document, rather, later,
after he stole)!
(k) Objection: This is not difficult! Perhaps the case is, we
saw the signatures on the document before Shimon stole!
(l) Correction - Version #4: Rather, the following was
considered difficult.
(m) Shimon signed on a document for Moshe before he inherited
(Rashash - was standing to inherit) Moshe, then he
inherited Moshe (Rashash - became his heir, e.g. Moshe's
heir died). Shimon cannot verify his signature, others
can testify about it.
1. This is among the most difficult monetary laws -
since we do not trust Shimon, why does it help if
others recognize his signature (perhaps he signed
after he inherited (or became an heir)!)?
(n) Objection: This is not difficult! Here also, the case is,
we saw the signatures on the document from before this!
(o) Correction - Version #5: Rather, the following was
considered difficult.
(p) Shimon signed on a document for Moshe before he became
Moshe's son-in-law, then he became his son-in-law. Shimon
cannot verify his signature, others can testify about it.
1. Why does it help if others recognize his signature
(perhaps he signed after he became his son-in-law!)?
i. Suggestion: Perhaps here also, the case is, we
saw the signatures on the document from before
this!
ii. Rejection: Rav Yosef bar Minyomi taught, the
law applies even if we did not see the
signatures on the document before this!
(q) Objection: This is not difficult! Perhaps the Torah
decreed that a relative is not believed, even though we
do not suspect that he would lie!
1. Support: Moshe Rabbeinu and Aharon ha'Kohen could
not testify together, even though we do not suspect
that they would lie; rather, the Torah decreed that
relatives are not believed.
2) HOW DO GRANDCHILDREN INHERIT?
(a) Conclusion: Really, Version #1 was correct (Reuven sold
Yakov's property, Reuven died, Chanoch takes from the
buyers; it is difficult, why can't they say 'You do not
inherit what your father sold!'?)
1. "Tachas Avosecha Yihyu Vanecha" does not teach that
a grandchild directly inherits his grandfather,
rather, it is merely a blessing (that a Tzadik will
have children to inherit him).
(b) Question: Is it really true that it is merely a blessing,
the law is not true?!
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1. (Mishnah): A house fell on Reuven and his father or
Morishav (someone else that Reuven inherits). Reuven
left creditors (or a wife entitled to a Kesuvah).
His father's heirs say that Reuven died first, the
creditors say that the father died first.
i. Suggestion: The father's heirs are Reuven's
sons; 'Morishav' is Reuven's brother.
ii. If a grandchild does not directly inherit his
grandfather, the verse is merely a blessing,
even if Reuven died first, the creditors
collect, because the property passes to Reuven
before Reuven's sons!
(c) Answer: No, the father's heirs are Reuven's brothers;
'Morishav' is Reuven's uncle. (But if the father's heirs
were Reuven's sons, the creditors would collect no matter
who died first.)
(d) Question: If a woman died after her son, does he
'inherit' her in the grave, i.e. to pass her property to
his paternal brothers?
(e) Answer (Rav Sheshes - Beraisa): A man was captured and
his son died here (or vice-versa, we do not know who died
first) - the father's heirs and the son's heirs divide
the property.
(f) Question: What is the case?
1. If as it is taught - the father's heirs also are the
son's heirs!
(g) Answer: Rather, a man was captured and his daughter's son
died here - the father's heirs and the grandson's heirs
divide the property.
1. If you will say that a son inherits in the grave,
even if the grandson died first, he inherits his
grandfather in the grave to pass her property to his
paternal brothers!
2. We conclude that a son does not inherit in the
grave.
(h) (Rav Acha bar Minyomi): We can also learn this from our
Mishnah!
1. (Mishnah): A house fell on Reuven and his mother.
Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel agree that his heirs
divide her property with her heirs.
2. If a son inherits in the grave, even if the son died
first, he inherits his mother to pass her property
to his paternal brothers!
(i) Question: What is the reason that a son does not inherit
in the grave?
(j) Answer (Abaye): The Torah mentions Sivah (transferal of
inheritance from tribe to tribe) ownership regarding a
son and a husband (who inherits his mother/wife);
1. Just as a husband in the grave does not inherit his
wife, also a son.
(k) Reuven told Shimon 'I sell you the property of bar
Sisin's house'. There was a certain land called by that
name, Reuven said that it was not bar Sisin's, it was
just called on his name.
1. Rav Nachman gave the land to Shimon.
2. Question (Rava): Reuven was established as the owner
- to take the house from him, the burden of proof is
on Shimon (that it was bar Sisin's property)!
(l) Contradiction: Rav Nachman and Rava said just the
contrary in a different case!
1. Reuven asked Shimon: What are you doing in this
house?
2. Shimon: I bought it from you, and I have lived here
the years needed to make a Chazakah.
3. Reuven: (I did not sell it to you;) I have been
living in the inner rooms of the house (so you do
not have a Chazakah).
4. Rav Nachman: (To get the house) Shimon must prove
that he was alone in the house.
5. Objection (Rava): Shimon has a Chazakah - to take
the house from him, the burden of proof is on Reuven
(to prove that he lived in the inner rooms)!
6. (Summation of contradiction: In the first case, Rav
Nachman considers the buyer to be Muchzak when in
doubt, Rava says that the seller is Muchzak; in the
latter case, each holds the opposite!)
(m) Answer - part 1: Rava does not contradict himself - in
the first case, the seller is on the property, so he is
Muchzak;
1. In the second case, the buyer is on the property, so
he is Muchzak.
(n) Answer - part 2: Rav Nachman does not contradict himself
- in the first case, since the property is called by bar
Sisin's name, the seller must prove that it was not
really bar Sisin's;
1. In the second case, living in the house for the
years of Chazakah only supports his claim that he
had a document and lost it - even if he had the
document, he would have to validate it! (Here also,
he must prove that his Chazakah was valid).
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