ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Basra 156
BAVA BASRA 156 - This Daf has been dedicated in memory of Yitzchak Lubin,
and for a Refu'ah Sheleimah for Chaya Miriam bas Sara and for Yehudah Baruch
ben Sara Menucha. (Dedicated by Rabbi and Mrs. Lipshutz of Monsey, NY).
(a) Rav Nachman Amar Shmuel says - that Kidushin, Gerushin, Chalitzah and
Miy'unin all require inspection to make sure that the boy (or the girl) is a
Gadol (or is not a Gedolah, in the case of Miy'unin). But when it comes to
selling a father's property on the other hand, the Tana requires the son to
(b) Having examined a boy for Kidushin, it is not in fact necessary to
examine him again for Gerushin - only the Tana is talking about Gerushin
after Yibum (which a boy can legally perform from the age of nine).
(a) The problem with the Tana including Chalitzah in the list is - the fact
that Chalitzah follows Gerushin in many respects, and once we know one, we
also know the other.
(b) In fact, he does this to preclude the opinion of Rebbi Yossi - who says
that even though a boy can perform Chalitzah from the age of nine, a girl
must be twelve.
(c) And he includes (the maximum age of) Miy'un, to preclude the opinion of
Rebbi Yehudah - who gives the girl until the hair has grown longer, and can
be doubled (which is a short while after she has turned twelve), whereas the
inspection is only effective as long as the age is twelve (by which age the
hair has normally grown to a minimal length).
(a) And the Tana inserts 'vi'Le'mkor be'Nechsei Aviv, ad she'Yehei ben
Esrim' - to preclude from those who give the age as eighteen.
(b) This Halachah - does not extend to property that a Yasom owns which he
received as a gift from other sources or which he purchased. These he may
sell from the age of six or seven, like Metaltelin.
(a) We rule like Rav Nachman Amar Shmuel in all of these cases.
(b) With regard to the Machlokes 'Toch Z'man ... ' - we rule 'Toch Z'man
(c) We also conclude 'Hilchesa ke'Gidal bar Menasheh', who authorizes a
thirteen-year old who is conversant with salesmanship, to sell his father's
property - even Karka, as we explained above.
(d) And we conclude ...
1. ... 'Hilchesa ke'Mar Zutra' - who permits a Yasom to testify on
Metaltelin from the age of thirteen, but not on Karka.
2. ... 'Hilchesa ka'Ameimar' - who validates the gift of a thirteen-year old
Yasom, even though his sale is invalid.
(a) Rebbi Elazar in our Mishnah says that if a Shechiv-Mera distributes ...
1. ... Karka - the beneficiary acquires it only if he made a Kinyan Kesef,
Sh'tar or Chazakah.
(b) And he said that if a Shechiv-Mera gave away all his property without a
Kinyan, and then died - the beneficiary does not acquire it.
2. ... Metaltelin - then he must make a Meshichah.
(c) The Chachamim ruled in the case of the mother of the sons of Ruchel, who
bequeathed her brooch to her daughter without a Kinyan, and then died - that
the brooch should be given to the daughter (even though no Kinyan had been
(d) Rebbi Elazar replied by cursing the sons of Ruchel - because they were
Resha'im (as will be explained later). Consequently, the Chachamim imposed a
fine on them by declaring the gift to their sister valid.
(a) It is unclear whether the mother of the sons of Ruchel gave away only
her brooch - in which case, we must establish the Mishnah by 'Metzaveh
Machmas Miysah' (according to the Chachamim, as we have learned before), or
whether she did so in the process of giving away all her property (see
Rashash) - in which case, the Tana can even be speaking S'tam.
(b) According to the first Tzad - we will have a proof that Rebbi Elazar
argues on the principle 'Divrei Shechiv-Mera ki'Chesuvin ve'Chimesurin
Dami', even by 'Metzaveh Machmas Miysah', whereas according to the second
Tzad - he may concede to the principle in a case of 'Metzaveh Machmas
(a) Rebbi Elazar in a Beraisa cites the case of a certain 'Maruni' (or
'Maduni') in Yerushalayim, who wanted to give away his numerous Metaltelin
as a Matnas Shechiv-Mera. The Chachamim advised him - to be Makneh his
property to the beneficiaries together with Karka.
(b) He reacted to their advice - by purchasing a rock near Yerushalayim,
which he then proceeded to give to his beneficiaries, the north to Reuven,
together with a hundred sheep and a hundred barrels of wine, and the south
to Shimon, together with a hundred sheep and a hundred barrels of wine.
(c) When the Rabbanan upheld the Maruni's actions, Rebbi Elazar attempted to
prove from there - that a Matnas Shechiv-Mera requires a Kinyan.
(d) The Rabbanan countered Rebbi Elazar's proof however - on the grounds
that the Maruni (according to their information) was a Bari, and not a
Shechiv-Mera at all.
(a) Rebbi Elazar cursed the sons of Ruchel, says Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel -
because they maintained thorns in a vineyard, which is forbidden, according
to his opinion in the Mishnah in Kil'ayim.
(b) His argument was that the Arabians would retain thorns - in order to
feed their camels, who liked them, even though people did not.
(c) We cannot just answer that they were sinners, who deserved to be
cursed - because then, the Chachamim would have agreed with Rebbi Elazar.
(d) The Chachamim however, permit thorns in a vineyard - because we go after
the majority of the world (who do not retain thorns), and Arabia is not the
majority of the world.
(a) Rebbi Levi permits a Kinyan Shechiv-Mera to be performed, even on
Shabbos - because we are afraid that if we don't, he will become confused,
and this will hasten his death.
(b) We might have ascribed the reason for this concession - to Rebbi Elazar,
who requires a Kinyan by a Shechiv-Mera, in any case.
(c) We don't however - because the Halachah is not like Rebbi Elazar.
(a) Rebbi Eliezer confines the Din of 'Devarav Kayamin' of a Shechiv-Mera to
Shabbos - where it is forbidden to make a Kinyan and to write a Sh'tar, but
not to a weekday - where he can make a Kinyan and write a Sh'tar.
(b) Rebbi Yehoshua says - 'be'Shabbos Amru, Kal va'Chomer' be'Chol, where he
could have made a Kinyan had he so wished, and we have a principle 'Kol
ha'Ra'uy le'Bilah, Ein Be'ilah Me'akeves Bo'.
(c) Similarly, Rebbi Eliezer holds - 'Zachin le'Katan (since he does not
have a Yad to acquire himself), ve'Ein Zachin le'Gadol' (who is able to
(d) Rebbi Yehoshua says - 'Le'Katan Amru, Kal va'Chomer le'Gadol (who could
have acquired the article himself).
(a) The author of our Mishnah is Rebbi Yehudah. According to Rebbi Meir,
Rebbi Eliezer permits a Matnas Shechiv-Mera - only during the week (when he
could have made a Kinyan [because of 'Kol ha'Ra'uy le'Bilah']).
(b) And Rebbi Yehoshua says - 'be'Chol Amru, 'Kal va'Chomer be'Shabbos'
(where he would otherwise not be able to give away his property).
(c) Similarly, Rebbi Eliezer holds 'Zachin le'Gadol, ve'Ein Zachin
le'Katan'. Rebbi Yehoshua says - 'le'Gadol Amru, 'Kal va'Chomer le'Katan'.