REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Metzia 23
BAVA METZIA 23 - Dedicated in memory of Max (Meir Menachem ben Shlomo
ha'Levy) Turkel, whose Yahrzeit will be 5 Teves, by his wife Jean and sons
Eddie and Lawrence Turkel.
(a) What do we extrapolate from 'Kikros shel Nachtom, Harei Eilu she'Lo'?
(b) Does the Tana differentiate between whether the loaves are found in a
Reshus ha'Yachid or a Reshus ha'Rabim?
(c) According to Rabah, who holds 'Si'man he'Asuy Li'dares, Lo Havi Si'man',
why is the finder not permitted to keep a home-baked loaf that he finds in
the Reshus ha'Rabim?
(d) Why does the Tana not contend with the possibility that the loaves will
be trodden on ...
- ... by Nochrim?
- ... by animals?
(a) Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah, obligates the finder to return 'Davar
she'Yesh Bo Shinuy'.
What does the Tana Kama say?
(b) We initially assume that even the Tana Kama agrees that an automatic
Si'man (that might have come into being on its own) is considered a Si'man
and that people walk past food.
On what grounds would we hold that an
automatic Si'man is considered a Si'man?
(c) What would then be the basis of the Machlokes Tana'im?
(d) On what grounds does Rav Z'vid in the name of Rava refute this
explanation? Why is the above combination not possible?
(a) Rav Z'vid in the name of Rava therefore concludes that both Tana'im
agree that 'Si'man he'Asuy Li'dares Havi Siman' and 'Ma'avirin al
ha'Ochlin', and they argue over Si'man ha'Ba'ah me'Eilav. What will Rabah
(b) The second Lashon follows exactly the same pattern as the first, only we
do not initially try to establish the basis of the Machlokes as to whether
'Si'man he'Asuy Li'dares Havi Si'man' or not.
Then how do we try to
(a) Rav Z'vid in the name of Rava teaches us a number of principles
concerning a lost article.
Answers to questions
How do we know when a person has been Meya'esh
from a lost article?
(b) Someone who finds small sheaves in the Reshus ha'Rabim, may keep them.
Is this speaking with a Si'man or without one, according to Rava?
(c) If he found those same sheaves in the Reshus ha'Yachid, it would depend
upon how they were placed.
Why, if they clearly fell, may the finder keep
(d) And what will be the Din, according to Rav Z'vid Amar Rava, in all of
these cases if the lost article had a Si'man?
(a) We learned in our Mishnah that the finder of strings of fish may keep
Why should the owner not be able to claim them by identifying ...
(b) What does the Tana of the Beraisa say about someone who finds silver or
copper vessels, or a piece of lead or metal? On what condition will the
owner get them back?
- ... the knot ?
- ... the number of fish per string?
(c) What does Rav Sheishes extrapolate from there regarding our She'eilah
whether the number is a Si'man?
(a) What does the Tana of the Beraisa say about someone who finds ...
(b) Based on the assumption that 'cuts of fish' means the head or the tail,
how does this pose a Kashya on our Mishnah?
- ... cuts of fish or a piece of bitten fish?
- ... barrels of wine, oil ... (see Tosfos DH 'Chavi'os')?
(c) How do we therefore reinterpret 'cuts of fish'?
(a) How did Rabah bar Rav Huna used to send cuts of meat to his wife?
(b) Why did he need to do that?
(c) How do we prove this interpretation of 'cuts of fish' from the Beraisa
(a) We just learned in the Beraisa that someone who finds barrels of wine or
oil, produce, dried figs or olives may keep them.
How does Rebbi Zeira
Amar Rav establish the Mishnah later, which obligates someone who finds
barrels of wine or oil to announce them, so as not to clash with this
Beraisa (see Tosfos DH 'be'Rashum')?
(b) If the Beraisa is not speaking about an open barrel, how then *is* it
speaking? Why can it not be speaking about an open barrel?
(c) Abaye establishes even the Beraisa in the case of a sealed barrel.
that case, what is the difference between the Mishnah and the Beraisa?
(d) What did Abaye rule when Rav Acha bar Ya'akov found a sealed barrel of
wine after the store-houses had been opened?
(a) Rav Bibi asked Rav Nachman whether Makom is a Si'man. How did Rav
Nachman try to resolve Rav Bibi's She'eilah from the previous Beraisa (which
permits someone who finds a barrel of wine or oil ... to keep it)?
(b) To refute Rav Nachman's proof, Rav Z'vid establishes the Beraisa by
What does this mean?
(c) This explanation refutes Rav Nachman's proof due to the reason given by
What does Rav Mari say?
(d) How do others cite Rav Mari? To what is he referring?
(a) What did a certain man find in the olive-press?
(b) What did Rav tell him he could do, when he displayed reluctance to
follow his ruling to keep it?
(c) Why did Rav permit him to keep it? Was it because he held that Makom is
not a Si'man?
(a) Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar permits the finder to keep 'K'lei Anpuryah'.
How does Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel define 'K'lei Anpuryah'?
(b) What is 'Anpuryah' the acronym of?
(c) This implies that a vessel that is not brand new, and that the owner has
become accustomed to, must be announced, even though it has no proper
If the vessel has no Si'man, why should the finder be obligated to
(a) Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel lists three things in which a Talmid-Chacham
tends to lie: 'bi'Mesechta, u've'Puri'ah, u've'Ushpiza'.
Answers to questions
What is ...
(b) What are the ramifications of Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel's statement?
- ... 'bi'Mesechta'?
- ... 'u've'Puri'ah'?
- ... 'u've'Ushpiza'?