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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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CHULIN 2 - The first Daf of Chulin has been sponsored by Dr. and Mrs.
Shalom Kelman of Baltimore, Maryland, USA. May Hashem bless them with
years filled with Torah and Nachas!
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1) WHO MAY SLAUGHTER
(a) (Mishnah): All (may) slaughter, and the slaughter is
Kosher, except for a deaf person, lunatic or minor, lest
they slaughter it improperly;
(b) Any of them that slaughtered while others looked on, the
slaughter is Kosher.
(c) (Gemara) Question: 'All (may) slaughter' - this connotes,
l'Chatchilah; 'and the slaughter is Kosher' - this
1. Question #1 (Rav Acha brei d'Rava): Does the
language 'All' always connote l'Chatchilah?
i. (Mishnah): All make Temurah (declare a Chulin
animal to be in place of a sacrifice), both men
2. Answer (Rav Ashi): There, the Mishnah clarifies
itself - 'Not that it is permitted to make Temurah,
but that if one did, the Chulin animal becomes
Hekdesh, and the person gets 40 lashes'.
ii. This is not l'Chatchilah - "He will not switch
3. Question #2 (Rav Acha brei d'Rava - Mishnah): All
(may) pledge a person's Erech (a value based on his
age and gender) to Hekdesh, and others (may) pledge
them, all pledge a person's value (as a slave) to
Hekdesh, and other are pledge them.
i. This is not l'Chatchilah - "If you will refrain
from vowing, you will not bear sin"
ii. (Beraisa - R. Meir): "It is better that you
should not vow, than to vow and not fulfill"?
- better than either (vowing and not
fulfilling, or vowing and fulfilling) is not to
vow at all;
iii. R. Yehudah says, the best is to vow and
iv. Even R. Yehudah only allows declaring an animal
Hekdesh - but not to obligate oneself (to bring
an animal - nor to pledge to Hekdesh, for the
same concern, lest he be unable to fulfill)!
2) A "TAMEI" PERSON THAT SLAUGHTERS
4. Counter-question #1 (Rav Ashi): Can you say that
whenever the Mishnah says 'All', it is b'Di'avad?
i. (Mishnah): 'All are obligated in the Mitzvah of
5. Answer (Rav Acha): I agree, when it says 'All are
obligated', it is l'Chatchilah - but otherwise,
'all' connotes b'Di'avad.
ii. (Mishnah): 'All are obligated in the Mitzvah of
6. Counter-question #2 (Rav Ashi - Mishnah): 'All press
on the neck of their sacrifice, both men and women'.
i. This is l'Chatchilah - "He will press his hand,
and the sacrifice will be acceptable"
7. Answer (Rav Acha): I agree, the language 'All' may
be l'Chatchilah - but it can also be b'Di'avad.
i. My question was - why assume that in our
Mishnah, it means l'Chatchilah, to ask a
question - perhaps it means b'Di'avad, and
there is no difficulty!
8. Answer (to Question #2 - Rav Ashi): The Mishnah
continues; 'and the slaughter is Kosher' -
b'Di'avad- if 'all slaughter' also means b'Di'avad,
why does the Mishnah use a second language of
(a) Answer #1 (to Question 1:c - Rabah bar Ula): The Mishnah
teaches: 'All may slaughter' - even a Tamei person may
slaughter Chulin ...
1. Interjection: This is obvious!
(b) (Continuation of Rabah bar Ula's answer): A Tamei person
should not slaughter Kodshim, lest he touch the animal;
if he slaughtered, and is sure that he did not touch,
'the slaughter is Kosher';
2. Answer: He may slaughter Chulin Al Taharas Kodesh
(treated as Kodshim) - Rabah bar Ula holds, Chulin
Al Taharas Kodesh has the law of Kodshim.
i. He uses a long knife, so he should not touch
the animal (after the slaughter, when it is
susceptible to Tum'ah).
1. 'Except for a deaf person, lunatic or minor' - if
they slaughtered even a Chulin animal, it is
forbidden, lest they pause during the slaughter,
press (the knife, instead of cutting), or do
Chaladah (slaughter when the knife is covered).
(c) Question: '*Any of them* that slaughtered while others
looked on, the slaughter is Kosher' - to whom does this
1. Suggestion: If it refers to a deaf person, lunatic
or minor - they were just mentioned, the Mishnah
should have said 'If they', not 'Any of them'!
(d) Answer #1: Rather, it refers to a Tamei person that
slaughtered a Chulin animal.
1. Objection: But the beginning of the Mishnah permits
(e) Answer #2: Rather, it refers to a Tamei person that
(f) Question: Why must others look on - we said that it
suffices that he is sure that he did not touch!
(g) Answer: The case is, he is not here to ask him whether he
(h) Question: But a different Mishnah teaches that if a Tamei
person slaughtered Kodshim, it is Kosher!
1. (Mishnah): If a Pasul (anyone disqualified from
Avodah) slaughtered a Korban, it is Kosher, since
slaughter may be done by a Zar (non-Kohen), woman,
slave, or Tamei person;
(i) Answer #1: Primarily, our Mishnah teaches this law; that
Mishnah teaches all Pesulim for Avodah, so it repeated
the law of a Tamei that slaughtered a Korban.
i. This applies even to Kodshei Kodoshim, on
condition that (if he is Tamei) he did not
touch the animal.
(j) Answer #2: Primarily, that Mishnah teaches this law; our
Mishnah, since it teaches about a Tamei that slaughters
Chulin, also teaches about when he slaughters Kodshim.
(k) Question: What kind of Tamei person can slaughter
1. Suggestion: If he is Tamei Mes (from a corpse) - any
vessel he touches becomes Tamei, it makes the animal
(l) Answer #1: Rather, he became Tamei through a rodent (so
he does not Metamei vessels).
(m) Answer #2: Really, he is Tamei Mes - he slaughtered with
a sharp reed (it is not a vessel, it cannot become
1. (Beraisa): One may slaughter with anything - with a
rock, or glass, or a reed.