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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Chulin 11
CHULIN 11 - A Daf has been sponsored in honor of the birth of Yechiel
Yehuda Kramer, by his grandparents in Jerusalem. May they see much Nachas
from their new grandson and from all their other children and
1) WE FOLLOW A MAJORITY
(a) Question: What is the source for following the majority?
2) SUCCESSFUL ANSWERS TO THE QUESTION
1. Question: This is obvious - "After the majority, to
tilt (the verdict)"!
(b) Answer #1 (R. Elazar): We learn from the head of an Olah
- "You will dissect the Olah into its (designated)
sections" - but you do not cut its sections into smaller
2. Answer: That teaches to follow a majority d'Isa
Kaman (in front of us, i.e. it can be counted), e.g.
nine of the 10 stores in the city sell Kosher meat,
and we found meat, and do not know which store it
came from; or, to follow the majority opinion of
judges on a Sanhedrin;
i. The question was, what is the source to follow
a majority d'Leisa Kaman (a statistical
majority), e.g. that a boy or girl is not a
Seris or Ailonis (someone that does not develop
as a normal male/female)?
1. Since we may not cut open the head, we cannot check
if the membrane around the brain is pierced, which
would make it a Treifah. (We must rely on the
majority, that most animals are not Treifah!)
(c) Rejection: Perhaps one tears the skull, but leaves it
connected, in order to check!
1. It is only forbidden to cut a section into separate
(d) Answer #2 (Mar brei d'Ravina): We learn from the
prohibition to break a bone of the Korban Pesach.
1. Since we may not cut the head (at all), we cannot
check if the membrane around the brain is pierced,
which would make it a Treifah.
(e) Rejection: Perhaps we put a hot coal on the skull to burn
through, enabling us to check!
2. It must be, we rely on the majority - most animals
are not Treifah!
1. (Beraisa): The prohibition of breaking bones does
not apply to sinews, nor to burning a bone.
(f) Answer #3 (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): We learn from the
Alyah (tail, of a sheep of a Chatas or Shelamim, which is
offered intact on the Mizbe'ach).
1. We cannot check if the spinal cord was cut (which
would make it a Treifah) - it must be, we rely on
(g) Rejection: Perhaps one tears the Alyah, but leaves it
connected, in order to check!
2. Suggestion: Perhaps we cut the Alyah towards the
bottom - if the spinal cord was cut there, the
animal is Kosher!
3. Rejection: It says "By the Atzeh (spine)" - near the
kidneys, the place of Eitzah (counsel).
1. It is only forbidden to cut it into pieces.
(a) Answer #4 (Rav Sheshes brei d'Rav Idi): We learn from
Eglah Arufah (beheading a calf when a corpse is found).
1. "You will break its neck" - it should remain whole,
so we cannot check if it was Treifah -we must rely
on the majority!
(b) Question: Perhaps it makes no difference if it is
(c) Rejection (d'Vei R. Yanai): It says "atonement" regarding
the calf, similar to Korbanos. (Therefore, a Treifah calf
(d) Answer #5 (Rabah bar Rav Shilo): We learn from the Parah
Adumah - "He will slaughter, he will burn" - just like it
is slaughtered whole, it is burned whole.
1. Since it is burned whole, we cannot check if it was
Treifah - it must be we rely on the majority!
(e) Answer #6 (Rav Acha bar Yakov): We learn from the goat
sent to Azazel.
2. Suggestion: Perhaps it makes no difference if it is
3. Rejection: The Torah calls it 'Chatas' (therefore, a
Treifah cow is invalid.)
1. "The two goats" - they must be the same - we should
be concerned, perhaps one is Treifah!
2. Rather, we rely on the majority of goats that are
(f) Answer #7 (Rav Mori): We learn from the death penalty for
one who strikes a parent.
3. Question: Why is it a problem if one (the one sent
to Azazel) is Treifah?
4. Answer: The lottery is valid only if both are
fitting to be offered to Hash-m.
5. Suggestion: Perhaps we check both!
6. Rejection (Mishnah): Before the goat is halfway down
the mountain, it is torn into many pieces. (We
cannot tell if there were internal defects when it
1. Question: We should be concerned, perhaps it is not
(g) Answer #8 (Rav Kahana): We learn from the death penalty
for a murderer.
2. Answer: Even if a married woman has extramarital
relations, most of her relations are with her
husband; therefore, we assume that she became
pregnant through her husband.
3. Suggestion: Perhaps we cannot rely on the majority,
and the Torah says to kill the son only when we are
sure, e.g. the parents were locked together in a
jail cell, and no one else could have had relations
with the mother!
4. Rejection: No one can guarantee that she did not
have relations with anyone else.
1. Question: We should be concerned, perhaps the victim
was a Treifah, and the murderer is exempt!
(h) Answer #9 (Ravina): We learn from the death penalty for
Edim Zomemim (plotting witnesses) - the Torah says, "You
will do to him like he plotted to do to his brother".
2. Answer: We rely on the majority of people that are
healthy (not Treifah).
3. Suggestion: Perhaps not, rather we must check the
victim, that he was not Treifah!
4. Rejection: That would be a disgrace to the corpse!
5. Question: Perhaps we do so, since this may save the
life of the murderer!
6. Answer: Even so, we cannot check if there already
was a hole where the murderer stabbed him, we must
rely on the majority.
1. Question: We should be concerned, perhaps the one
they plotted to kill is Treifah (so killing healthy
witnesses is not "Ka'asher Zamam")!
(i) Answer #10 (Rav Ashi): We can learn from slaughter
2. Answer: We rely on the majority of people, they are
3. Question: Perhaps we check that the one they
testified about was not Treifah!
4. Answer (Beraisa - b'Rebbi): If the one they
testified about was not killed, the plotting
witnesses are killed (even though we cannot check
for internal Treifos); if the one they testified
about was killed, the plotting witnesses are not
1. Question: The Torah permits eating what was
slaughtered - we should be concerned, there was a
hole where the knife cut!
2. Answer: Rather, we rely on the majority of animals
that are healthy.