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CHULIN 21 - This Daf has been sponsored by Dr. and Mrs. Shalom Kelman of
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1) CUTTING THE NECKBONE BEFORE THE SIMANIM
(a) Question: In any case, how do we answer Rava's question?
2) WHAT MAKES A "NEVEILAH"?
(b) Answer (Rava): In Melikah, one breaks the neckbone
without cutting much flesh (so the bird is not a Neveilah
before cutting the Simanim).
(c) R. Ami cited Ze'iri's teaching; R. Zeira asked Rava's
question. R. Ami pondered, then gave Rava's answer.
1. Support (Beraisa): In Melikah of a Chatas, one cuts
the spine and neckbone without cutting most of the
flesh. When he reaches the Kaneh or Veshet, he cuts
one Siman or its majority, and most of the flesh
i. In an Olah, he cuts both Simanim or the
majority of both.
2. Question: Like whom is this Beraisa?
i. It is not like Chachamim - they say that the
entire Siman(im) must be cut;
3. Answer #1: The Beraisa teaches, according to
Chachamim, he cuts the entire Siman(im); according
to R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, he cuts the majority.
ii. It is not like R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon - he
says, the entire Siman(im) should not be cut,
only the majority!
4. Answer #2: It is like R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon - it
says, he cuts a (substantial) majority of the
Siman(im), which is like cutting the entire
(a) (Rav Yehudah): If the neckbone (of a person) and the
majority of surrounding flesh was cut, he is Metamei
b'Ohel (anything above, below, or under the same roof as
him becomes Tamei, for he is dead).
3) HOW "OLAS HA'OF" IS OFFERED
1. Question: But Eli died when his neckbone broke, even
though the flesh was not cut!
(b) (R. Shmuel bar Nachmani): If a person was torn lengthwise
like a fish, he is Metamei b'Ohel.
2. Answer: An old person is different - "His neckbone
broke and he died, for he was very old".
1. (R. Shmuel bar Yitzchak): This is only if he was cut
from the back.
(c) (Shmuel): If an animal was cut into two pieces, it is a
(d) (R. Elazar): If the thigh and its cavity were removed,
the animal is a Neveilah.
(e) Question: What is the case that the cavity was removed?
(f) Answer (Rava): When it crouches, one can see that
something is missing.
(g) (Mishnah): If the head was chopped off, even if it is
still quivering, it is a Neveilah.
1. This is like a lizard's tail, it keeps quivering
even after it was cut off.
(h) Question: What does it mean, 'the head was chopped off'?
(i) Answer #1 (Reish Lakish): Literally, it was totally
(j) Version #1 - Answer #2 (Rav Asi): The Simanim were cut
like is done to an Olas ha'Of.
1. R. Yirmeyah (to Rav Asi): Do you mean like Chachamim
(the Simanim are totally severed), and you agree
with Reish Lakish; or, do you mean like R. Elazar
b'Rebbi Shimon (the majority of the each Siman is
severed), and you argue with Reish Lakish?
(k) Version #2 - Answer #2 (Rav Asi): The (majority of the)
Simanim were cut like is done to Olas ha'Of according to
R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon.
2. Rav Asi: I mean like R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon.
(a) (Beraisa): "The second (bird) will be offered as an Olah,
like the law" - like the law of Chatas Behemah.
1. Question: Why don't we say, like Chatas ha'Of (to
teach that he need not divide the head from the
2. Answer: "He will offer *it*" - the Torah
distinguishes between Chatas ha'Of and Olas ha'Of.
3. Rather, Olas ha'Of is equated to Chatas Behemah,
teaching that it cannot come from money of Ma'aser
Sheni, and it must be offered by day and with the
4. Suggestion: We should say, just like it suffices to
cut the majority of both Simanim of Chatas Behemah,
also of Olas ha'Of!
(b) R. Yishmael says, "like the law" refers to the law of
5. Rejection: "U'Malak...v'Hiktir (he will do Melikah
and he will burn)" - just like the head and body of
Olas ha'Of are burned separately on the Mizbe'ach,
also Melikah separates the head from the body (i.e.
the Simanim are cut entirely).
1. Just like Melikah of a Chatas is done on the back of
the neck, also Melikah of an Olah.
2. Suggestion: We should also say, just like one leaves
the head and body of Chatas ha'Of connected, the
same applies to Olas ha'Of!
3. Rejection: "He will offer *it*" (Olas ha'Of is not
offered like Chatas ha'Of).