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Previous daf Chulin 67
CHULIN 66-68 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in
honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.
1) THE SOURCES FOR PERMITING FISH WITHOUT "SIMANIM"
(a) Question: Which source to permit fish (in vessels)
without Simanim is called explicit, which is not?
2) CREATURES THAT NEVER LEFT THEIR PLACE
(b) Answer #1 (Rav Acha or Ravina): "You may eat (...what has
the Simanim)" is the explicit source; "(What lacks the
Simanim...) You may not eat" is not explicit.
1. The former is explicit, for it says "Those you may
eat" right after "in seas and rivers";
(c) Answer #2 (The other of Rav Acha and Ravina): "You may
eat" is not explicit; "You may not eat" is explicit.
2. The latter is not explicit, for "You may not eat" is
not written adjacent to "in seas and rivers".
1. The former is not explicit, for it could have been
understood to mean that all fish in vessels are
2. The latter is explicit, for it surely permits all
fish in vessels (and shows that the former verse
(a) (Rav Huna): One should not strain (date) beer through a
wooden strainer at night, lest a worm alight on the
strainer and fall into the cup;
1. Since the worm (once) separated from the beer, it is
considered "A Sheretz that swarms on the ground"
(and is forbidden.)
(b) Question: If so, one should not drink beer in a vessel,
lest a worm alighted on the vessel and returned to the
(c) Answer: In that case, it is considered as if the worm
never left the water (it is permitted.)
(d) Support (Beraisa): "You may eat anything in water" - this
permits bending down to drink from pits (even though one
may ingest worms.)
1. Question: We should be concerned, perhaps the worms
alighted on the wall of the pit!
(e) (Rav Chisda): A Beraisa supports Rav Huna.
2. Answer: Since they never left the pit, they are
3. Similarly, if a worm in beer separated to the vessel
wall, it is still permitted.
1. (Beraisa): "Every Sheretz that swarms on the ground"
- this includes flies that were strained from wine.
(f) (Shmuel): If a gourd grew wormy while attached, the worms
are forbidden - "Every Sheretz that swarms on the
2. Inference: Had they not been strained, they would be
(g) Suggestion: An apparent contradiction of Beraisos
3) WORMS IN FISH
1. (Beraisa #1): "On the ground" - this excludes mites
in lentils, chickpeas, dates and figs.
(h) Rejection: No, in both Beraisos they grew when the
produce was attached;
2. Contradiction (Beraisa #2): "Every Sheretz that
swarms on the ground" - this includes worms in the
roots of olives or vines.
3. Answer: Both Beraisos discuss mites in produce; in
the former, they grew while the produce was
attached; in the latter, they grew after it was
1. Beraisa #1 discusses mites (that started) in the
produce; Beraisa #2 discusses mites of the tree
(i) Questions (Rav Yosef): If a worm separated and died
immediately; or, if it entered the air (but never landed
on the ground), what is the law?
2. Support: Beraisa #2 says 'worms in the roots of
olive trees or vines'.
(j) Questions (Rav Ashi): What is the law if a worm
1. To the outside of the date; or, to the outside of
the date pit; or, from one date to another?
(k) These questions are unresolved.
(a) Version #1 (Rav Sheshes brei d'Rav Idi): Worms in the
lungs or liver (Rashi - of an animal; Tosfos - of a fish)
1. This is because they came from outside, i.e. they
(b) Objection (Rav Ashi): If they were ingested, they would
be found in the end of the digestive tract!
(c) Version #2 (Rav Sheshes brei d'Rav Idi): Worms in the
lungs or liver are permitted.
1. This is because they grow from the animal (Tosfos -
(d) (Rav Ashi): This is obvious - if they were ingested, they
would be found in the end of the digestive tract!
(e) The Halachah is, they are forbidden, because they enter
through the respiratory system during sleep.
(f) Worms underneath the skin in animals are forbidden; in
fish, they are permitted.
1. Ravina asked his mother to mix fish worms with his
fish, so he would eat them without seeing them.
(g) Question (Rav Mesharshiya brei d'Rav Acha): What is the
difference between worms in animals and worms in fish?
(h) Answer (Ravina): Animals (and worms inside) are forbidden
until slaughtered; slaughter does not permit the worm;
1. Fish are permitted without slaughter, so worms that
grow inside are also permitted.
(i) (Beraisa): "That goes on its belly" is a snake; "all"
includes long worms; "four legs" refers to a scorpion;
"all that goes" includes beetles; "many legs" is a
centipede; "until every" - this includes similar species,
and species similar to those.
(j) (Beraisa - R. Yosi Dormaskus): Livyason (a giant sea
creature that Tzadikim will eat in the end of days) is a
1. "Its protection" - these are its scales; "Under it
are rays of sun" - these are its fins.