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1) "TEVI'AS AYIN"
(a) (Rava): I used to think that a Siman is better than
Tevi'as Ayin (recognition), for we return a lost object
(to anyone) based on a Siman, but only a Chacham receives
through Tevi'as Ayin.
2) REMOVING THE "GID"
(b) Retraction (Rava): The above teachings show that
recognition is better.
(c) Support #1 - Question: How is a blind man (or any man, at
night in the dark) permitted to cohabit with his wife
(perhaps it is a different woman)!
1. Answer: Surely, we rely on Tevi'as Ayin
(recognition) of her voice.
(d) Support #2 (R. Yitzchak brei d'Rav Mesharshiya): If two
witness testify about a murder:
2. Likewise, we may rely on visual recognition!
1. If they do not recognize the murderer but they know
Simanim on his body and clothing, we do not kill
(e) Support #3 (Rav Ashi): If a man asks a messenger to call
Ploni, and he gives Simanim describing Ploni, he is
unsure if the messenger will find him;
2. If they recognize him, we kill him.
i. If the messenger recognizes Ploni, he will
surely find him.
(a) (Mishnah): When removing the Gid ha'Nasheh, one must
remove all of it;
(b) R. Yehudah says, he (only) needs to remove enough to
fulfill the Mitzvah of removing it.
(c) If one eats a k'Zayis of the Gid he gets 40 lashes;
(d) If he ate a whole Gid, even if it is not a k'Zayis, he is
(e) If he ate a k'Zayis of each Gid, he gets 80 lashes;
(f) R. Yehudah says, he gets 40 lashes.
(g) (Gemara): Bar Piyuli was removing the Gid for Shmuel; he
was just cutting off the top.
1. Shmuel: You must cut deeper - had I not seen, you
would have fed me Isur!
(h) Bar Piyuli dropped the knife. Shmuel consoled him, 'I am
not angry - the one who instructed you holds like R.
(i) (Rav Sheshes): Bar Piyuli was removing what R. Yehudah
requires to remove mid'Oraisa.
(j) Objection: This implies, he did not remove what R.
Yehudah forbids mid'Rabanan - who would instruct him to
(k) Correction (Rav Sheshes): Rather, Bar Piyuli was removing
what must be removed mid'Oraisa; he left what R. Meir
1. R. Yehudah permits those remnants even mid'Rabanan.
(l) (Mishnah): If one eats the Gid...
(m) (Shmuel): The Torah only forbids the part of the Gid on
the Kaf (the meat at the end of the thigh) - "Al Kaf
(n) (Rav Papa): Tana'im argue about this.
1. (Beraisa): If one ate a whole Gid, even if it is not
a k'Zayis, he is lashed;
2. R. Yehudah says, he is only lashed if it is a
i. Chachamim are Mechayev for less than a k'Zayis,
because it is a Briyah (a complete entity);
3) A "GID" THAT WAS COOKED WITH MEAT
(o) Question: "Kaf" is needed to permit the Gid of a bird
(for it has no Kaf)!
ii. R. Yehudah says, the Torah forbids *eating* the
Gid (and less than a k'Zayis is not considered
iii. Chachamim: No - it says "Lo Yochlu" to Mechayev
for a k'Zayis of a large Gid (but not to exempt
eating an entire small Gid.)
iv. R. Yehudah: "Asher Al Kaf ha'Yarech" teaches
this (one is liable for eating just the part on
v. Chachamim: No, that teaches Shmuel's law (that
only the part on the Kaf is forbidden.)
vi. R. Yehudah: It says "ha'Yarech" - the Gid is
forbidden throughout the entire thigh.
vii. Chachamim: No, that teaches that the (inner)
Gid which stretches throughout the entire thigh
(p) Answer: It says "Kaf" twice in the Parsha.
(a) (Mishnah): If a thigh was cooked with the Gid ha'Nasheh
1. If it is Nosen Ta'am (imparts taste) to the thigh,
the thigh is forbidden.
(b) If the Gid ha'Nasheh was cooked with permitted Gidim:
2. If meat and turnips (of volumes like those of the
Gid and thigh, respectively) were cooked together
and the meat would give Ta'am to the turnips, we
(are stringent, and) assume that the Gid gives Ta'am
to the thigh.
1. If we recognize the Gid ha'Nasheh, we remove it, and
the others are permitted if the Gid ha'Nasheh was
not Nosen Ta'am (to them.)
(c) The same applies to a piece of Neveilah or a Tamei fish
cooked with other pieces:
2. If we cannot recognize the Gid ha'Nasheh, they are
3. The liquid in the pot is forbidden if the Gid
ha'Nasheh was Nosen Ta'am.
1. If we recognize the forbidden piece, we remove it,
and the rest are permitted if the Isur was too small
to give Ta'am;
(d) (Gemara - Shmuel): This is only if the thigh was *cooked*
(with water) - if it was roasted it is permitted (but one
may not eat the meat around the Gid.)
2. If we cannot recognize the Isur, are pieces all
(e) Question: But Rav Huna taught that if a kid that was
roasted with its Chelev, even the ear is forbidden
(because the Chelev gives Ta'am to the entire kid)!
(f) Answer: Chelev is different, it bubbles up and spreads.