ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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ERUVIN 16-20 sponsored by a generous grant from an anonymous donor. Kollel Iyun Hadaf is indebted to him for his encouragement and support and prays that Hashem will repay him in kind.
(a) Yes - one may carry from a Chatzer to the area of Pasei Bira'os into
which it leads, since there are no residents living between the Pasin.
(b) If two individual Chatzeros (where no Eruv was made) lead into that area
-then it is forbidden.
(c) The reason that carrying from one to the other is forbidden, even by
means of an Eruv, according to Rav Huna - is because of a decree, because
maybe people will think that an Eruv will permit carrying in the area of
(d) Rav Huna establishes the Beraisa which says 'Aval Ervu, Mutarin' - when,
besides the Eruv via the entrance between the two Chatzeros, another large
breach also occurred between the two Chatzeros, making it evident for all to
see that they are one Reshus (and removing the concern quoted above).
(a) Carrying in the area of the Pasei Bira'os is only permitted as long as
there is water in the pit - Once it stops, it becomes forbidden to carry
(b) If it then rained, and the pit filled up again, it is permitted to carry
there once more, since we have learnt that a Mechitzah that is erected on
Shabbos, is a Kasher Mechitzah (and this will not be worse).
(c) Rav Nachman forbids (mi'de'Rabbanan) carrying in an area whose Mechitzah
was erected on Shabbos - only by a Mechitzah that was erected deliberately,
but not otherwise. And in our case, the water fell naturally, and not by the
hand of man.
(a) If Chazal permitted carrying inside the area of Pasei Bira'os, then the
Pasin must be considered Mechitzos min ha'Torah - In that case, what is
Rebbi Elazar's Chidush, when he teaches us that someone who throws into the
area between the Pasei Bira'os ( street) is Chayav?
(b) Rebbi Elazar's Chidush is that - even though that area remains part of
the main road, we do not say that the people negate the Pasin, and the area
retains its status as a Reshus ha'Rabim.
(c) When Rebbi Elazar, together with Rebbi Yochanan, remarked (with regard
to the opinion of the Chachamim of Rebbi Yehudah) 'Kahn Hodi'ucha Kochan
shel Mechitzos' - we may have thought that he was simply telling us how for
the Chachamim went, but that Halachically, he follows the opinion of Rebbi
(d) Rebbi Yehudah holds - that one is obligated to arrange a new road fro
the public, to circumvent the Pasei Bira'os. In fact, he never made the
remark in c. (though Rebbi Yochanan presumably, did). It was we who inferred
from his other statement, that he agreed with Rebbi Yochanan.
(a) In order to stand in the Reshus ha'Rabim and drink in the Reshus
ha'Yachid or vice-versa - one needs to bend over one's head and most of his
body into the Reshus that he wants to drink. Otherwise, we are afraid that
he may just move his body together with the cup of water, to where his legs
are, rendering him Chayav Kares or Chatas.
(b) As long as one drinks wine wine-press - in the wine-press, he
is Patur from Ma'asering it, since it is considered Arai (casual), even if
he adds hot water. Once he takes the wine out of the wine-press, and adds
hot water to it, it has a Din of Kavu'a, and must be Ma'asered before
drinking it is permitted. There too, he must bend over the wine-press 'Rosho
ve'Rubo' in order to be permitted to drink it without Ma'asering it.
(c) If the owner was holding the bowl of water and not the animal, it goes
without saying that the head of the animal and most of its body must also be
within the area of the Pasei Bira'os - the Sha'aleh of the Gemara (whether
or not, this is necessary) is when the head and most of the animal's body
(a) If the Beraisa was speaking when the owner was holding both the bucket
and the animal - then why would the animal need to be standing Rosho ve'Rubo
within the Pasei Bira'os (according to the current contention). We assume
that this is necessary, explains Tosfos DH 'Vehatanya', because we presume
the Beraisa to refer to our Mishnah.
(b) Abaye establishes the Beraisa, which forbids placing a bucket of water
in front of one's animal on Shabbos - by a feeding-trough of ten Tefachim
high and four by four Tefachim wide, which is placed right next to the Pasei
(c) Chazal prohibited placing water in front of the animal on the wall of
the trough - in case he finds that the trough requires fixing (in a way that
is not Makeh ba'Patish), and, in order to effect the repair, he will carry
the bucket into the street.
(d) The problem with this explanation - is the ruling of Rebbi Yochanan,
that a person will not be Chayav for carrying unless he meant to contravene
the Halachos of carrying moment he picked up the article; and in
our case, he only decided to carry out the bucket, when he discovered the
defect in the wall of the trough - not when he initially picked up the
bucket to place on the trough. And since there is no Chiyuv d'Oraysa here,
why would Chazal issue a decree (this appears to be a 'Gezeirah
(a) The Gemara therefore concludes that the reason for the decree is - that
he may put the bucket down whilst he effects the repair, and then he will
pick up the bucket street, and place it on the wall of the trough,
having carried Reshus ha'Rabim to the Reshus ha'Yachid in the
(b) The way to water his animal in the previous case - would be to empty it
bucket into the trough.
(c) In the second version of the Sha'aleh - the Gemara asks whether Rosho
ve'Rubo helps, not when he is holding the bucket, but not the animal (when
Rosho ve'Rubo would most certainly not help), but when he is holding both
the bucket and the animal.
(a) The fact that the Beraisa requires Rosho ve'Rubo of a camel inside the
Reshus ha'Yachid when feeding it - is no proof that the same applies to
other necks. Why not? Because this decree may well be confined to camels
who, on account of their long necks, will easily stretch them from one
Reshus to another.
(b) There is no proof Beraisa 'Beheimah she'Roshah ve'Rubah
Bifenim, Ovsin Osah mi'Bifenim' (that even when one holds both the bucket
and the animal, 'Rosho ve'Rubo' is required) - because that Beraisa could
well be referring to a camel, and not to other animals.
(c) Even if there two Beraisos, one which uses the term 'Gamal', the other,
'Beheimah' - they could both be referring to a camel. This is because, since
they were not learnt together, their respective authors could have been
using two different styles - the one called a camel 'a camel', the other,
(a) The concession of Pasei Bira'os for people going to Yerushalayim for
Yom-Tov - is restricted to watering one's animals, and may not be used for
one's own personal use.
(b) The concession not extend to people - because people are able to clamber
down the well to drink there.
(c) Since it is on account of the water that Chazal allowed the Pasin to
serve as Mechitzos (and did not forbid them mi'de'Rabbanan) - water which is
Chashuv is required i.e. spring-water that is fit for humans (see Tosfos DH