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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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(a) The prominent 'Amora' who sat on the Beis-Din of Rebbi when they
introduced the waiting period of one year into the Din of Sikrikun - was Rav
(who was either an average member of the Beis-Din or the most junior).
(b) We learn from the Pasuk in Mishpatim "ve'Lo Sa'aneh al Riv" (which is
written without a 'Yud') - that, when it comes to matters concerning life
and death, one asks the most senior Dayan for his opinion last (because were
he to offer his opinion first, the other Dayanim would be forced to follow
his opinion), but not when it comes to money-matters or matters of Tum'ah
(c) Rabah Brei de'Rava (or Rebbi Hillel Brei de'Rav Valas) reconciles this
with the fact that Rav was the first to be asked his opinion on the matter,
and not Rebbi (even though it was not a matter of life and death) - by
pointing out that this was Rebbi's Beis-Din, and Rebbi establishes the Pasuk
"ve'Lo Sa'aneh al Riv" by all issues (even not of life and death).
(a) According to Rabah Brei de'Rava (or Rebbi Hillel Brei de'Rav Valas) -
between the days of Moshe and Rebbi, according to Rabah Brei de'Rava (or
Rebbi Hillel Brei de'Rav Valas) - there did not exist 'Torah and Gedulah' in
the same person.
(b) Torah and greatness did not exist in the same person in Yehoshua,
Elazar, Pinchas, the Zekeinim and Shaul - because, in Yehoshua's time, there
was Elazar, in Elazar's time, Pinchas, in Pinchas' time, the Z'keinim, in
the Z'keinim's time, Shaul and in Shaul's time, Shmuel.
(c) We do not reckon ...
1. ... David - because of Iyra ha'Ya'iri
2. ... Shlomoh - because of Shim'i ben Geira.
3. ... Chizkiyah - because of Shevna.
4. ... Ezra - because of Nechemyah.
5. ... Shaul after the death of Shmuel, David after the death of Iyra
ha'Yairi, Shlomoh after the death of Shim'i ben Geira and Chizkiyah after
the death of Shevna (whom Sancheriv killed) - because we only reckon those
whose Torah and greatness were unique all their lives.
1. In spite of Shaul's greatness in Torah - he failed to teach others Torah.
2. Shevna was greater than Chizkiyah - inasmuch as the latter would Darshen
to a hundred and ten thousand Talmidim, whilst *he* Darshened to a hundred
and thirty thousand.
(a) Rav Acha Brei de'Rava says the same about the period between Rebbi and
Rav Ashi as Rabah Brei de'Rava (or Rebbi Hillel Brei de'Rav Valas) said
about the period between Moshe and Rebbi, even though - Huna bar Nasan
possessed Torah and greatness too.
(b) Rabah Brei de'Rava nevertheless ascribed Torah and greatness to Rav Ashi
(and not to Huna B'rei de'Rav Nasan) - because Huna himself subordinated
himself to Rav Ashi.
(a) When the Tana Kama says 'Cheresh ...
1. ... Romez' - he means that whenever he hints something with his fingers,
it is valid.
(b) ben Beseira says - that even if he only moves his lips or responds to us
when we move ours, we accept it too.
2. ... ve'Nirmaz' - that whenever we hint to him and he nods his head in
approval, it is valid too.
(c) The Tana concludes 'ha'Pe'utos Mikchan Mekach u'Memkaran Memkar ... '.
This is confined however - to Metaltelin.
(a) Rav Nachman restricts ben Beseira's leniency to Metaltelin, but not to
Gitin. Despite the fact that ben Beseira specifically said 'bi'Metaltelin',
Rav Nachman nevertheless found it necessary to tell us that - because we
would otherwise have thought that when he said 'bi'Metaltelin', he meant
*even* bi'Metaltelin, and certainly by Gitin seeing as he married by way of
hint, whereas the Metaltelin came into his possession by way of Yerushah.
(b) Chazal were more lenient regarding Metaltelin than by Karka - because
the Pe'utos need the interaction in order to live, as we explained above.
(c) The second Lashon quotes Rav Nachman as saying - that just as they argue
by Metaltelin, so too, do they argue by Gitin.
(a) There are three interpretations of the age of 'Pe'utos': six or seven
(Rav Yehudah); seven or eight (Rav Kahana) - the third interpretation (that
of the Tana of a Beraisa) is nine or ten.
(b) In fact, we explain - the three opinions do not argue. It depends on how
smart the child is.
(c) The reason that Chazal legalized the transactions of Pe'utos by
Metaltelin, says Rebbi Aba bar Ya'akov Amar Rebbi Yochanan, is - to enable
them to live (because if their sales would be invalid, nobody could sell
(d) When ben Beseira says 'bi'Metaltelin' - he means 'Af bi'Metaltelin'.
(a) Yehu ordered the man in charge of the Meltachah to take out clothes from
there for the servants of Ba'al. Rebbi Aba bar Ya'akov Amar Rebbi Yochanan
translates "Meltachah" - as a store-house for linen clothes (since Meltachah
is the acronym of 'Davar ha'*Nimalal ve'Nimtach* (something that stretches
when it is rolled in one's hand).
(b) Bunayim ben Nunayim sent Rebbi 'Sivni, Chumas, Salselah and Malmela'.
Bunayim ben Nunayim - was a wealthy Jew (though, according to others, he was
Rebbi Meir's Talmid, ben Nannes).
(c) The significance of 'Sivni, Chumas, Salselah and Malmela' is - that they
are four different kinds of fine quality linen garments.
(d) Before their erroneous transactions ...
1. ... become Bateil - Pe'utos have leeway up to and including a sixth of
the market price.
2. ... remain valid but the excess must be returned - up to but excluding a
sixth (all this just like anybody else).
(a) According to Rav Yeimar, even though the sale of a Pa's is valid, his
Matanah is not; according to Mar bar Rav Ashi - there is no difference. Both
(b) Rav Yeoman's reason is because doing someone a pure favor is not
considered a necessity (he does not need it to live). Mar bar Rav Ashi
counters that - if someone gives a gift, it is usually in return for a favor
that the recipient of the gift did him (so that giving gifts becomes part of
the necessary interaction between people to live).
(c) When they told Rav Mordechai details of the Machlokes, but inadvertently
switched the opinions - he remarked that they should inform Mar bar Rav Ashi
that his father (Rav Ashi, his own Rebbe) disagreed with him.
(d) He quoted Rav Ashi - who was standing with one foot on the ladder
leading up to the attic, as saying - that whether the Pa'ot is a
Shechiv-Mera or healthy, whether it is a large gift or a small one, his
Matanah is valid.
(a) Chazal instituted that a Kohen reads first in the Torah, then a Levi and
then a Yisrael - because of Darkei Shalom (which means that the Kohen and
the Levi cannot forego their honor, even if they want to.
(b) 'Me'arvin be'Bayis Yashan' is also a Takanas Chachamim. It means -
that the members of a Chatzer may not move the Eiruv from the house where it
is regularly placed to another house in the same Chatzer.
(c) Still regarding the issue of Darkei Shalom, they instituted that ...
1. ... the water-pits that are nearest the stream - have the first rights to
fill their pits from the stream.
(d) According to Rebbi Yossi, it is considered real theft mi'de'Rabbanan
(which will be explained in the Sugya). The Din Torah in this regard is -
that as long as the person has not made a Kinyan on the animals in his
traps, they are not his (and anyone may take them).
2. ... the catch that is caught in wild animal and animal traps and fishing
nets - is subject to theft.
(a) The Tana of our Mishnah also cites the same Machlokes between the Tana
Kama and Rebbi Yossi regarding the findings of a 'Chashu'. The third regard
in which he quotes the same Machlokes is - that of a poor man who is cutting
olives from an olive-tree.
(b) The Tana of our Mishnah's final statement is - that one may not prevent
a poor Nochri from collecting Leket, Shikchah and Pe'ah.
(a) Rav Masna learns from the Pasuk "Vayichtov Moshe es ha'Torah ha'Zos
Vayitnah el *ha'Kohanim B'nei Levi"* - that a Kohen must be called up to he
Torah first, and then a Levi.
(b) Amora'im learn this from various Pesukim. The final D'rashah is that of
Rebbi Chiya bar Aba from the Pasuk "ve'Kidashto" from which Tana de'Bei
Rebbi Yishmael learns ...
1. ... Lifto'ach Rishon - meaning all matters of prestige, such as being
called up first and speaking first at meetings.
(c) The third thing in his list is - to receive a good portion (i.e. when
dividing with a Yisrael something that they own jointly - see also Tosfos DH
2. ... u'Levarech Rishon - which means Birchas ha'Mazon.
(d) When Rav Yosef, in an effort to resolve the Kashya how we can ascribe
calling up a Kohen to the Torah first to 'Darkei Shalom', when it is derived
from the Pasuk "ve'Kidashto", answered 'd'Oraysa, u'Mipnei Darchei Shalom' -
Abaye objected on the grounds that the Pasuk in Mishlei describe the whole
Torah as "Derachehah Darchei No'am, ve'Chol Nesivosehah Shalom", so why
should the Tana describe this particular Halachah in this way more than any
(a) So Abaye interprets the priority of calling up a Kohen first to Mar's
explanation of a Beraisa. 'Mar', as far as Abaye is concerned, is - Rabah.
(b) If two people are eating together from the same dish, and one of them
has to stop eating for some reason or another, the other one is obligated to
stop eating until his friend has finished whatever he has to do. But if
there are three, the other two are not obligated to wait for the third.
(c) The person who recites the B'rachah (the owner of the meal) - has the
first right to help himself from the serving dish.
1. The Tana qualifies this latter Halachah - permitting the Mevarech to hand
over this right to his Rebbe or to someone else.
2. Abaye uses this to explain the 'Darchei Shalom' in our Mishnah - which
forbids the Kohen or the Levi to do this.
(a) Rebbi Yochanan forbids calling up one Levi after another - because both
of them are subject to suspected of being Pasul (because their father
married a woman who is a Mamzeres or a Nesinah).
(b) Rav Huna would be called up to the Torah first even on Shabbos and
Yom-Tov, even though he was not a Kohen - because he was the Gadol ha'Dor
(even Rebbi Ami and Rebbi Asi, those distinguished Kohanim from Eretz
Yisrael, were subordinate to him.
(c) When Abaye said that if there is no ...
1. ... Kohen present, 'Nispardah ha'Chavilah', he meant - that the order no
longer prevails, and that the Levi is not called up at all (or that it is
not necessary to call him up before calling up a Yisrael).
(d) Rebbi Yochanan's reason for saying that is - so that people should not
accuse the first Kohen of being Pasul, as we shall see shortly.
2. ... Levi, then a Kohen is called up in his place, he meant - that the
same Kohen who was called up first, is called up again for Levi. This does
not clash with Rebbi Yochanan, who said that one may not call up two Kohanim
one after another.
(a) Rebbi Yochanan forbid calling up one Levi after another - because both
of them stand to be suspected of being Pasul.
(b) We initially reject the explanation that we are only concerned what
people will say about the first Kohen, but not the second (like we are by
two Levi'im) is because the Tana is speaking when the second Kohen's father
is known to be a Kohen, on the grounds - that by the same token, the second
Levi should not come under suspicion either.
(c) We establish Rebbi Yochanan when both the father of the second Kohen and
the father of the second Levi are known to be Kohen and Levi respectively.
However, as far as the Levi is concerned, we are concerned people will
suspect him of marrying a Mamzeres or a Nesinah, disqualifying his son from
the Leviyah (which is why he was called up as a Yisrael) after a Levi. The
same concern (or that his father married a Gerushah or Chalutzah) will not
pertain to the second Kohen - because if his father married a woman who is
Pasul, then he would be Pasul from the Levi'ah too (so why would he have
been called up after a Kohen)?
(d) Rebbi Yochanan is however, concerned that people will consider the first
of the two Kohanim Pasul, in spite of the fact that six people were called
up after him (and not seven) - because he is concerned about the suspicions
of people who leave Shul before the end of Leining, who do not know how many
people were called up after the 'Pasul' Kohen.