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HORAYOS 12-14 - One week of study material has been dedicated by Mrs. Rita
Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok
Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly
in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him. His
Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.
1) RECALLING PAST DISPUTES
(a) Rebbi taught his son R. Shimon, Others say, if it (an
animal called 'Ma'aser' by mistake) was a Temurah, it
would not be offered. (Since it is offered, this shows
that it is not Temurah)!
2) THE GREATEST ATTRIBUTES OF A CHACHAM
(b) R. Shimon: If we learn the Torah of these Chachamim, why
don't we mention their names?
(c) Rebbi: Because he tried to uproot the Nesi'us from our
(d) R. Shimon: "...Gam Sinasam, Gam Kinasam Kevar Ovadah"
(what was, was)!
(e) Rebbi: "Ha'Oyev Tamu, Charavos Lanetzach (the enemy died,
his arrows persist forever)"!
(f) R. Shimon: That is only if his actions accomplished
(g) Rebbi: They said in R. Meir's name, if it was a Temurah,
it would not be offered.
1. Rava: Even Rebbi, who was exceedingly humble, did
not explicitly teach it in R. Meir's name (i.e. R.
(a) (R. Yochanan): R. Shimon ben Gamliel and Chachamim argued
which is preferable - Sinai (one who knows all the
Mishnayos and Beraisos, as they were given on Sinai), or
one who can uproot mountains (through his sharp power of
On to Zevachim
1. Rav Yosef was Sinai, Rabah uprooted mountains. They
asked Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael which takes
(b) Question: Of R. Zeira and Rabah bar Masnah - which had
2. Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael: Sinai comes first - all
need the bearer of wheat (Mishnayos and Beraisos are
the source of all Halachah)!
3. Even so, Rav Yosef did not accept to be the Nasi (in
Pumbadisa, after Rav Yehudah died) before Rabah.
Rabah was the Nasi for 22 years; he died, and Rav
Yosef became Nasi.
i. During the 22 years, Rav Yosef would not call a
bloodletter to his house (to avoid any conduct
of authority; Ramah - he had no need for any
doctors - this was a reward for lowering
4. After Rav Yosef died, Abaye, Rava, R. Zeira and
Rabah bar Masnah had to decide which of them would
be the next Nasi. They decided that whoever will say
a teaching which the others cannot refute, he will
be Nasi - only Abaye's teaching was not refuted.
1. R. Zeira would ask sharply; Rabah bar Masnah would
deliberate and conclude according to the Halachah.
(c) This question is unsettled.