ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Kesuvos 66
(a) In the Beraisa quoted in front of Rava by the Beraisa expert, the Tana
Kama holds that a woman retains what she finds. According to Rebbi Akiva -
her findings go to her husband.
(b) The Tana Kama of a Mishnah in Af-al-pi rules that if a woman declares a
Konem (forbidden to her husband) whatever she produces, her Neder is
invalid. Rebbi Akiva says - 'Yafer, Shema Ta'adif Alav Yoser min ha'Ra'uy',
from which we see that the Ha'adafah of Ma'aseh Yadehah belongs to the
woman. And if Rebbi Akiva is not worried about Eivah (quarrelling) regarding
Ma'aseh Yadehah, he will certainly not be worried about it regarding her
findings (see Tosfos Rid).
(c) So we amend the Beraisa quoted by the Beraisa expert - inverting the
opinions to read 'Metzi'as Ishah le'Ba'alah, Rebbi Akiva Omer, le'Atzmah'.
(a) When Ravin arrived from Eretz Yisrael, he quoted Rebbi Yochanan, who
restricted the Machlokes between Rebbi Akiva and the Rabbanan to Ha'adafah
she'Al Yedei ha'Dechak. But in the case of Ha'adafah she'Lo al-Yedei
ha'Dechak (such as a townswoman, who is used to a high rate of
productivity) - even Rebbi Akiva will agree that it goes to the husband.
(b) This creates a problem with the amendment that we just made to explain
Rebbi Akiva, because we initially compare a woman's findings to Ha'adafah
she'Lo al-Yedei ha'Dechak, leaving us with a contradiction in Rebbi Akiva.
(c) Rav Papa resolves this problem - by comparing a woman's findings to
Ha'adafah she'Al Yedei ha'Dechak (seeing as finding things usually entails
searching for them, such as fish that the river cast on to dry land, a deer
with a broken leg or a treasure that one needs to dig up).
(d) Rav Papa asked about two in one go, and Rav Papa about three or even
four. Both She'eilos remain unanswered. They were asking - if a woman
performs two, three or even four Melachos simultaneously, whether the number
of tasks being performed at once makes it into Ha'adafah al-Yedei ha'Dechak
(a) Rava bar Chanan asked whether according to Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira in
our Mishnah, one would also be obligated to pay Boshes for embarrassing a
person's horse - a senseless Kashya, since a horse does not feel any Boshes.
(b) So what he really meant to ask was from a person who spat on someone's
clothes - whom Rav Papa (commenting on the Mishnah in Bava Kama, which
obligates someone who spat on another person) to pay Boshes) exempts from
(c) We answer this Kashya - by pointing out that, whereas a woman does feel
shame, a garment does not.
(d) According to Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira, the family of a poor man from
good stock do not receive some of the Boshes, when *he is shamed*, like the
husband does when *his wife* is shamed - because the latter only receives it
due to the fact that a man's wife is like part of his own body (a S'vara
that does not apply to any other relationship).
(a) If the Yavam whose Yevamah fell before him for Yibum, now claims the
dowry that his father-in-law promised to his brother - the latter might
reply that, although he had been willing to give such a dowry to his
brother, he was not willing to give it to him, in spite of which, he
remained obligated to perform either Yibum or Chalitzah'.
(b) Had his brother not died, and his father-in-law refused to keep his word
(assuming that they were betrothed but not married) - he could have refused
to marry her or divorce her, unless his father-in-law agreed to pay what he
(a) Assuming the father gives ...
1. ... a thousand Manah cash - the Chasan enters into the Kesuvah - fifteen
hundred Zuz (one third more than the specified amount - besides whatever
Tosefes he wants to give), because the money that she brings is on the one
hand is worth the full amount stated, and on the other, it is available for
business or investment purposes. Note: The significance of all these
statements concerns the amount for which the Chasan accepts responsibility
and must later return to his Kalah should he divorce her.
(b) If the Kalah brings in a thousand Zuz worth of goods, with an assurance
that that is its real value - then the Chasan enters it as a thousand Zuz.
2. ... a thousand Manah in clothes and ornaments - eight hundred Zuz (one
fifth less than the specified), because they tended to overprice clothes and
ornaments by a fifth, in addition to which, they are not immediately
available for business and investment.
(c) If they instructed the Chasan to enter clothes and ornaments to the
value of ...
1. ... one Manah - then the Kalah must bring in fifteen hundred Zuz.
2. ... four hundred Zuz - then she must being in five hundred.
(a) The father's argument 'I was willing to give your brother, but not to
you' - even holds water in a case where his brother was an Am ha'Aretz and
he is a Talmid-Chacham.
(b) Having taught us the Din of ...
1. ... 'Shuma Rabah' (the fifth that he deducts from her assessment of a
thousand Dinar), the Tana nevertheless needs to repeat it in the case of
Shuma Zuta (the fifth that he deducts from thirty one Sela and a Dinar) -
because we might otherwise have thought that it is only in the case of a
large Shuma that the assessors tend to add a fifth to the value of the
clothes or the ornaments, but not in the case of a small one.
(c) Nor does it make any difference whether the Kalah brings in the dowry
first, and the Chasan assesses it, or whether the Chasan entered it into the
Kesuvah first and the Kalah assesses it afterwards. Either way - the Chasan
enters the reduced amount into the Kesuvah and the Kalah adds a fifth to
what is written in the Kesuvah.
2. ... Shuma Zuta, the Tana nevertheless needs to repeat it in the case of
Shuma Rabah - because we might otherwise have thought that it is only in the
case of a small Shuma that they do so (to avoid embarrassment), but not in
the case of a big one.
(a) The husband take upon himself for a dowry of ...
1. ... a Manah - ten Dinrim for a box of Besamim for his wife.
(b) Raban Shimon ben Gamliel says - that this amount is not fixed, but
rather it depends on the local custom.
2. ... two Manah - twenty Dinrim for such a box.
(c) According to Rav Ashi - the Halachah of ten Dinrim per Manah is confined
(a) When the Tana writes 'Paskah Lehachnis Lo Kesafim, Sil'ah Na'aseh
Shishah Dinrim' - he means that for every Sela that the Kalah brings in, the
Chasan must enter six Dinrim (an extra third).
(b) Having taught us this ...
1. ... in the previous Mishnah (with regard to a thousand Dinar), the Tana
nevertheless found it necessary to repeat it here - to teach us that it
applies even to a small amount (which entails a small business venture with
2. ... here, the Tana nevertheless saw fit to repeat it in the previous
Mishnah - to teach us that it applies even to a large amount (in spite of
the fact that it already leaves the Chasan with large expenses and
(a) Rav Ashi asked whether the ten Dinar per Manah means Manah ha'Nishum or
Manah ha'Miskabel - meaning whether we reckon the assessed Manah or the
Manah that the Chasan accepted (minus a fifth).
(b) Neither is Rav Ashi sure whether this obligation is a daily one or
applies to the first day only. Assuming that it applies every day - he asks
whether it is confined to the first week after the marriage, or whether it
extends to the subsequent weeks.
(c) Assuming that the obligation extends to the following weeks - he asks
whether it extends only to the weeks of the first month, or to the
subsequent months, too; and then, assuming the second side of the She'eilah,
he asks whether it is confined to the months of the first year only, or
whether it extends to subsequent years.
(d) The Chachamim fixed four hundred Dinrim for the Kupah shel Besamim of
the daughter of Nakdimon ben Guri'on. When she responded by wishing them
that they should merit such a large amount of Besamim for their daughters,
they answered 'Amein' (see Tosfos DH 've'Anu', although Rashi does not
explain it this way).
(a) Raban Yochanan ben Zakai was once riding his donkey outside Yerushalayim
accompanied by his Talmidim - when he found the daughter of Nakdimon ben
Guri'on - picking barley from among the dung of animals belonging to Arabs.
She asked him to feed her.
(b) When she answered his question as to what happened to her father's
wealth with 'Melach Mamon Chaser' or 'Chesed' - she meant to say that
someone who wants to preserve his money (i.e. to make it last), he should
give it away for Tzedakah (intimating that her father had not done so).
(c) Her father-in-law's wealth too - had been lost, because he had acted as
a guarantor for loans that her father had made and was unable to repay.
(d) Her Kesuvah was worth - one million golden Dinrim (a golden Dinar is the
equivalent of twenty-five silver Dinrim) besides the Tosefes that her
(a) As Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakai wept, he spoke of the praiseworthiness of
K'lal Yisrael, who are invincible when they perform the will of Hashem, but
whom, when they do not, Hashem delivers into the hands, not only of a lowly
nation, but into the hands of the animals of a lowly nation (reminiscent of
their tendency to either climb go to the top or to slump the bottom, as
Zeresh told Haman).
(b) He referred to the Arabs as a lowly nation - because they lived as
nomads, in tents in the desert.
(a) On his way from his house to the Beis Hamedrash - Nakdimon ben Guri'on
arranged for precious cloths to be placed for him to walk on, which the poor
were free to take once he had passed.
(b) This leaves us with a Kashya on the comment that his daughter made
earlier, that he did not give enough Tzedakah.
(c) Some answer that he did indeed give plenty of Tzedakah, but that he did
so for his own esteem. According to others - he gave a lot of Tzedakah, but
not in accordance with his means, as people say 'the load that a camel
carries depends on its strength'.
(d) Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Tzadok too, found the daughter of Nakdimon ben
Guri'on in Ako - collecting barley from among the horse's hooves.