ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Kesuvos 75
KESUVOS 75-81 - dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving
memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Mr Irving
Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is sorely
missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.
(a) Rebbi Yehudah learns from the Pasuk "ve'Lo Hikum Yehoshua Ki Nishbe'u
Lahem Nesi'ei ha'Eidah" - that a Neder that is made in public cannot be
1. Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak learns from the Pasuk (regarding the Din of a
Zavah) "Yamim Rabim" - that 'Rabim' pertains to three people (even in the
language of the Rabbanan).
(c) Rava establishes the second Beraisa (which rules that even if the woman
went to a Chacham after her betrothal, and had her Neder nullified, her
Kidushin would not be valid) too, like Rebbi Meir, only the Tana is speaking
about an important woman - in which case the husband does not want to land
up in a situation where he will have to divorce her because of her Nedarim,
and become forbidden to the other members of such an important family.
Consequently, he betrothed her on the understanding that, should she be
found to have Nedarim, the Kidushin will be null and void, so that his
options to marry other members of her family will remain open to him.
2. Rav Yitzchak learns from the word "ha'Eidah" - that the Pasuk in Yehoshua
must be referring to ten people.
(d) The Tana nevertheless writes in the Seifa (which presumably, also speaks
about an important *man*) that if, in the equivalent case, the man had his
Neder nullified, the Kidushin remains valid. There, we do not say that the
woman does not want the Kidushin to be valid for the same reason - because
of the principle that a woman prefers to be married at all costs, rather to
1. Abaye says - that a woman who marries a man who is as small as an ant -
will nevertheless be proud to place her chair among the princesses.
(b) Rav Ashi says - that she will even marry a man whose family is
stigmatized, just in order to be married, and she will not even ask him for
2. Rav Papa says in this regard - that even if a man whose profession is
combing wool calls a woman to come and sit at his gate, she will (because
she wants to get married at all costs).
(c) The last word however, goes to the Tana of the Beraisa - who says that
a woman who marries a man of lowly status will use her marriage to him as an
excuse to commit adultery, and then insist that he is the father of her
(a) The Tana adds three blemishes that lose a woman her Kesuvah to those
that disqualify Kohanim from performing the Avodah: perspiration, a wart and
foul breath. The Mishnah in Bechoros comments - that the three blemishes of
an animal 'old, sick and sweaty' apply to a Kohen, even if they are only
(b) To reconcile this Mishnah with the Tana of the Beraisa (regarding
perspiration), Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina restricts the Mishnah to
perspiration that cannot be removed, whereas the Beraisa speaks about
perspiration that can be removed through bathing (see Tosfos DH 'Kahn').
(c) Rav Ashi makes a distinction between 'Mezuham' (mentioned by an animal),
and 'Zei'ah' (mentioned by a Kohen). According to him - 'Mezuham' cannot be
removed by means of vinegar, whereas 'Zei'ah' can, which explains why the
latter is not considered a blemish with regard to Kohanim, seeing as the
vinegar is sufficiently effective to enable the Kohanim to perform the
(d) He also permits a Kohen with foul breath to perform the Avodah, because
he can place a pepper in his mouth for the duration of the Avodah.
Nevertheless, a woman will lose her Kesuvah in both of these cases, because
whereas these measures achieve their purpose in the case of the Kohen, who
serves in the Beis-Mikdash for only a few days each year, they are not
practical when it comes to a woman who lives with her husband on an ongoing
(a) There is no difference between a Kohen and a woman with regard to ...
1. ... a wart with a hair inside - both are considered blemishes.
(b) So Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina establishes the difference between them
by a small wart on the forehead (which is worse, because it is visible). The
problem with this answer is - why should a woman lose her Kesuvah on account
of it, considering that her husband must have seen it before the Chupah and
2. ... a large wart - which Raban Shimon ben Gamliel describes as being the
size of an Italian Isar; both are considered blemishes.
3. ... a small wart - both are not considered blemishes.
(c) Rav Papa resolves the problem - by establishing the Mishnah in a case
when the wart is partially covered by her head-gear, in which case, it is
sometimes hidden and sometimes revealed (and it seems that when her husband
examined her, it was covered).
(d) Rav Chisda ...
1. ... heard from Rav Shilo that if a woman was bitten by a dog - and the
bite left cracked scars, then that is considered a blemish, for which she
will lose her Kesuvah.
2. ... learns from the Pasuk "*Ki Kolech Areiv* u'Mar'ech Naveh" - that a
thick (man's) voice is also considered a blemish by a woman.
(a) When the Beraisa (quoted by Rebbi Nasan Bira'ah) says 'Bein Dadei Ishah
Tefach' - it means that a Tefach is considered a blemish.
(b) Abaye describes - three finger-breadths as normal.
(c) Rebbi Nasan in a Beraisa says that if the breasts of a woman are larger
than normal - it is considered a blemish. Rav Meyashe the grandson of Rebbi
Yehoshua ben Levi quoting his grandfather, gave the Shiur as a Tefach larger
(d) To bear this out, we quote Rabah bar bar Chanah - who gave testimony
that he once saw an Arab woman throwing her breasts over her shoulder and
feeding her baby from behind.
(a) In time to come, says the Navi Yeshayah, the Nochrim will bring "all
those who were born in Tzi'on" back to Yerushalayim - which Rav Meyashe the
grandson of Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi interprets to incorporate those who
inquired after it.
(b) Abaye says - that one Talmid-Chacham from Eretz Yisrael is worth two
(c) Rava proves from Rebbi Yirmiyah (who originated from Bavel) that a
Talmid-Chacham who went from Bavel to Eretz Yisrael is worth two
Talmidei-Chachamim who originated from Eretz Yisrael - because Rebbi
Yirmiyah, who was unable to understand what the Talmidei-Chachamim in Bavel
were saying, was later able to refer to the Talmidei-Chachmim of Bavel as
'those foolish Babylonians'.
(a) Rebbi Meir says that if a woman who is claiming her Kesuvah because, due
to blemishes, her Chasan is divorcing her ...
1. ... before the Chupah - the onus lies on the father to prove that his
daughter *had no blemishes* before the betrothal (if she wishes to receive
(b) The Chachamim limit the husband's right to claim a false sale on account
of the blemishes, only if the blemishes are hidden from view, but where the
blemishes are visible, the fact that he did not protest until now, proves
that he accepted them.
2. ... after the Chupah - the onus lies on the husband to prove that she
(c) They add that if the town has a bathhouse - he can never claim a false
sale due to blemishes, because, before the Chupah, he would have had her
examined by his female relatives, and would therefore have known about them.
(a) According to Rebbi Meir, if a woman is claiming her Kesuvah because, due
to blemishes, her Chasan is divorcing her *before the Chupah*, the onus lies
on the father to prove that his daughter *had no blemishes* before the
betrothal (if she wishes to receive her Kesuvah); *after the Chupah*, the
onus lies on the husband to prove that she *did*. These two rulings appear
to contradict each other - because the first ruling gives precedence to the
Chezkas Mamon of the Chasan to the Chezkas ha'Guf of the woman (like Rebbi
Yehoshua in the first Perek - on Daf 12b.); whereas the second ruling gives
precedence to the Chezkas ha'Guf (like Raban Gamliel there).
(b) Rebbi Elazar says 'Tavra' - meaning that the Reisha and the Seifa do
indeed clash (because Rebbi Elazar makes no distinction as to in whose
domain the Safek occurred).
(c) So he reconciles the two statements - by establishing the Reisha like
Rebbi Yehoshua and the Seifa like Raban Gamliel.
(a) Rebbi Yehoshua concedes that we go after Chezkas ha'Guf (even against a
Chezkas Penuyah - see Tosfos DH 'Safek') - when there is no Chezkas Mamon to
counter it .
(b) Rava learns this from the Beraisa regarding a Safek whether the white
mark of Baheres preceded the two white hairs, or vice-versa. The Beheres
needs to come first - for the Kohen to declare it Tamei.
(c) When there is a Safek which came first - the Tana Kama holds that the
stricken man is Tamei (see Tosfos DH 'Safek').
(a) Rebbi Yehoshua says 'Keiheh', which, if it is spelt with a 'Kaf', means
that it is as if the Baheres had become faint (and is therefore Tahor).
Rebbi Moshe ha'Darshan spells the word with a 'Kuf' - and interprets it to
mean that Rebbi Yehoshua ground his teeth (like one does when people do not
want to listen to what one has to say).
(b) Rebbi Yehoshua's reason is - because of the Chezkas ha'Guf.
(a) Rava disagrees with Rebbi Elazar. His major bone of contention is - the
fact that the latter establishes the Reisha like Rebbi Yehoshua and the
Seifa like Raban Gamliel (as if Rebbi was in doubt as to whose opinion to
follow), when, in the first Perek, we clearly ruled like Raban Gamliel.
(b) Rava therefore establishes both the Reisha and the Seifa like Raban
Gamliel, despite the fact that the Tana does not go after Chezkas ha'Guf) -
because even Raban Gamliel does not follow Chezkas ha'Guf if the source of
the Safek occurred in the domain of the father ('Kahn Nimtze'u, Kahn Hayu'),
as is the case here.
(c) The Mishnah in the first Perek however - speaks after they are married,
in which case 'Kahn Nimtze'u, Kahn Hayu' informs us that the blemish did not
exist before they married, giving her a Chezkas ha'Guf.
(d) In the Seifa of our Mishnah (when the husband discovers the blemish
after they are married), the Tana requires the husband to prove that it was
there *before* the betrothal - implying that if he brought proof that the
blemish existed *after* the betrothal, we would follow the Chezkas ha'Guf
(disproving Rava's principle 'Kahn Nimtze'u, Kahn Hayu').
(a) We offer the suggestion that if the husband only brings a proof that she
had the blemish after the betrothal, there is a counter-Chazakah of 'Ein
Adam Shoseh be'Kos Ela-im-Kein Bodko' - meaning that he would have
discovered the blemish, and clearly married her in spite of it.
The reason that the husband will then be believed if he brings a proof that
the blemishes were there before their betrothal - is due to the fact that
there is no Chezkas ha'Guf, in which case the Chazakah of 'Ein Adam Mispayes
be'Mumin' clashes with that of 'Ein Adam Shoseh be'Kos ... ', in which case
(there being no Chezkas ha'Guf), we will place the Mamon on its Chazakah.
(b) We refute it however - on the grounds that, if that is so, why should we
not say the same even if he managed to prove that she was blemished before
(c) We conclude that when the husband only brings a proof that the blemish
existed after the betrothal, there are two Chazakos against one - a Chezkas
ha'Guf and the Chazakah that a man does not enter the Chupah before he has
examined her (and married her in spite of the blemish).
(d) We ignore the Chazakah of 'Kahn Nimtze'u, Kahn Hayu' - because, even if
the blemish did precede the betrothal, it will be overridden by the
Chazakah that a man does not enter the Chupah before he has examined her
(see also Tosfos DH 've'Chada' - Daf 76a.).