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Previous daf Kidushin 69
KIDUSHIN 69 - dedicated by Mr. Avi Berger of Queens, N.Y. in memory
of his parents, Pinchas ben Reb Avraham Yitzchak and Leah bas
1) KOSHER CHILDREN FROM MAMZERIM
(a) (Mishnah - R. Tarfon): A Mamzer can cause that his
children will be permitted to marry Yisraelim.
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1. If he marries a Kana'anis slave, the children are
slaves; if he frees them, they are free (as regular
(b) (Gemara) Question: Did R. Tarfon say that a slave can do
this l'Chatchilah, or only b'Dieved?
2. R. Eliezer says, the children are Mamzer slaves (and
if they are freed, they are Mamzerim).
(c) Answer #1 (Beraisa - Chachamim (to R. Tarfon)): This
helps a male Mamzer, but not a Mamzeres!
1. (We understand, if it is forbidden for Mamzerim to
marry slaves, only a male Mamzer could secretly
marry a slave.)
(d) Rejection: No - there is no lineage by slaves (his
children are as the mother - in this case, Mamzerim).
2. If it is permitted for Mamzerim to marry slaves,
also a Mamzeres could marry a slave to permit her
(e) Answer #2: R. Simlai told his innkeeper (who was a
Mamzer) 'Had I known you earlier, I could have caused
that your children will be permitted (to marry
1. We understand this if R. Tarfon's counsel is
(f) Rejection: He would have told him to steal (so he will be
sold as a slave, and then be permitted to a Kana'anis
slave - this is permitted in order to permit one's
2. But if R. Tarfon only said that b'Dieved, the
children are permitted - R. Simlai would not tell
someone to transgresses!
(g) Objection: The law of a Yisrael slave did not apply in R.
1. The law of a Yisrael slave only applies when Yovel
(h) (Rav Yehudah): The law is as R. Tarfon.
2. We conclude, R. Tarfon's counsel is l'Chatchilah.
(i) (Mishnah): R. Eliezer says, the children are Mamzer
(j) (R. Elazar): R. Eliezer learns from "To him" (said by the
prohibition of a Mamzer to marry a Yisrael) - if either
parent is a Mamzer, the children receive this blemish.
1. Chachamim say, the verse only applies to a Yisrael
that married a Mamzeres,
(i) It says "To their families, according to their father's
houses" - one might have thought, the children are as the
father - "To him" teaches, all descendants of Mamzerim
are forbidden (even if they marry Yisraelim).
2. R. Eliezer: Just as "To him" teaches an exception to
the rule "To their families, according to their
father's houses" - it also teaches an exception to
the rule "The (slave) and her children will be to
3. Chachamim say, a fetus inside a slave has no
connection to its father.
2) THE TEN GENEOLOGICAL STOCKS
(a) (Mishnah): Ten different lineages came up with Ezra from
Bavel: Kohen, Levi, Yisrael, Chalal, convert, freed
slave, Mamzer, Nasin, Shtuki (one who knows his mother
but not his father), Asufi (one deserted as a baby, who
does not know either of his parents).
3) EZRA'S ASCENT TO ERETZ YISRAEL
(b) Kohanim, Levi'im and Yisraelim are permitted to marry
(c) Levi'im, Yisraelim, Chalalim, converts, and freed slaves
are permitted to marry each other;
(d) Converts, freed slaves, Mamzerim, Nesinim, Shtukim and
Asufim are all permitted to marry each other.
(e) Aba Sha'ul says that we can check Shtukim (to know if he
has proper lineage).
(a) (Gemara) Question: Why does the Mishnah say 'came up from
Bavel' - it should say, 'went to Eretz Yisrael'!
(b) Answer: The Mishnah teaches that Eretz Yisrael is the
highest of all lands.
1. (Beraisa): "You will go up to the place that Hash-m
will choose" - this teaches that the Beis ha'Mikdash
is the highest place in Eretz Yisrael, and Eretz
Yisrael is the highest land.
2. We understand how we learn that the Beis ha'Mikdash
is the highest place in Eretz Yisrael - "You will go
4) THE STRENGTH OF CHAZAKAH
3. Question: How do we learn that Eretz Yisrael is the
(c) Question: Why does the Mishnah say 'came up from Bavel' -
it should say, 'came up to Eretz Yisrael'!
4. Answer: "(People will recount how) Hash-m raised and
brought Benei Yisrael (to Eretz Yisrael) from the
north and from all lands of their dispersion"
(d) Answer: To teach as R. Elazar.
1. (R. Elazar): Ezra didn't leave Bavel until he made
it as clean flour (by taking all improper lineages
(e) (Abaye): The Mishnah says, (people of improper lineage)
'came up' - on their own volition.
(f) (Rava): It says, (Ezra) forced them to come.
1. Rava holds as R. Elazar, Abaye does not.
(g) (Rav Yehudah): All other lands are as dough (a mixture)
compared to Eretz Yisrael (there are many disqualified
lineages among them); Eretz Yisrael is as dough compared
2. Alternatively, we can say that both hold as R.
(i) Abaye holds that Ezra publicized the people of improper
lineage, then they came up on their own volition; Rava
holds that he forced them to come.
1. According to Abaye, they came on their own - this is
why Eretz Yisrael is as dough compared to Bavel (the
bad lineages intermarried in Eretz Yisrael, since
people did not know about them ).
(h) According to Abaye, we understand "I studied the people
and the Kohanim; I did not find any Levi'im";
2. Question: According to Rava, Ezra forced them to
come - surely, they were known in Eretz Yisrael,
Eretz Yisrael should also be pure!
3. Answer: They were known in the generation of Ezra,
but not in later generations.
(i) Question: According to Rava, Ezra forced them to come, he
already knew who came!
(j) Answer: He only forced people of bad lineage to come, he
did not know which people of proper lineage came.
(k) (Mishnah): Kohanim, Levi'im and Yisraelim.
(l) Question: From where do we know that they came up?
(m) Answer: "The Kohanim and the Levi'im sat...and Yisrael".
(a) (Mishnah): Chalalim, converts and freed slaves.
(b) Question: From where do we know that Chalalim came?
(c) Answer (Beraisa - R. Yosi): We learn the power of
Chazakah from "Sons of the Kohanim...that married
daughters of Barzilai ha'Giladi...they could not find
their lineage documents, and they were banished from
Kehunah. (Nechemyah) told them, they will not eat Kodshei
Kodoshim until the Urim v'Turim are restored (when
1. He told them - since they had a Chazakah (in Bavel)
to eat Terumah, they may continue to eat Terumah in
(d) Question: "They will not eat Kodshei Kodoshim until the
Urim v'Turim are restored" - this implies, they could eat
2. Question: According to the opinion that eating
Terumah is a proof of proper lineage (for marriage)
- perhaps people will see them eat, and assume that
their lineage is fine!
3. Answer: They will not, for their Chazakah was
weakened (Rashi - since they may not eat Kodshim;
Tosfos - since they could not find their lineage
4. Question: If so, how does this show the power of
5. Answer #1: In Bavel, they only ate mid'Rabanan
Terumah; in Eretz Yisrael, they are permitted
6. Answer #2: Also in Eretz Yisrael, they are only
permitted mid'Rabanan Terumah; only eating
mid'Oraisa Terumah is a proof of proper lineage.
7. Question: If so, how does this show the power of
8. Answer: In Eretz Yisrael, there was a concern, lest
they come to eat mid'Oraisa Terumah - because of the
power of Chazakah, no decree was made on mid'Rabanan
(e) Answer: No - it means, they may not eat what is called
Kodesh (mid'Oraisa Terumah), nor what is called Kodshim
(the chest and foreleg of Shelamim, which is given to
1. Terumah is called Kodesh - "Any non-Kohen will not
2. The chest and foreleg are called Kodshim - "A Bas
Kohen that will marry a non-Kohen may not eat
i. This refers to the chest and foreleg, which are
taken from Kodshim.