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Previous daf Menachos 22
1) THE "TZIBUR" SUPPLIES THE WOOD
(a) Question: It was obvious to the Tana of the Beraisa that
the Tzibur supplies the wood - what is the source?
2) A "KOMETZ" THAT BECAME MIXED WITH ANOTHER "MINCHAH"
(b) Answer (Beraisa - R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon) Suggestion:
Perhaps one who vows to bring an Olah must supply the
wood, just like he must supply the Nesachim!
1. Rejection: "Al ha'Etzim Asher Al ha'Esh Asher Al
ha'Mizbe'ach" - just like the Tzibur pays for the
Mizbe'ach, it pays for the wood.
(c) Question: What do they argue about?
2. R. Elazar ben Shamu'a says, just like the Mizbe'ach
was not used for a person's (Chulin) needs, also the
wood and fire.
(d) R. Elazar ben Shamu'a requires new wood.
(e) Question: Surely, all agree that old wood may be used -
"...Ha'Bakar la'Olah veha'Morigim u'Chlei ha'Bakar
(f) Answer (Rava): The vessels were new (they had never been
(g) Question: What are "Morigim"?
(h) Answer (Ula): This is the Tarbal bed (mentioned in
(i) Question: What is a Tarbal bed?
(j) Answer (Rav Yehudah): It is a wooden block with sharp
grooves for threshing grain - we learn from "L'Morag
Charutz Chadash Ba'al Pipiyos Tadush".
(a) (Mishnah): If a Kometz became mixed with the Kometz of a
different Minchah, or with (a Minchah which is not
Nikmetzes, such as) the Minchah of a Kohen or (Chavitei)
Kohen Gadol or Minchas Nesachim, it is Kosher;
(b) R. Yehudah is Posel if it was mixed with Minchas Kohen
Gadol or Nesachim, for they contain a larger proportion
of oil than a Kometz, and the Kometz and the Minchah
absorb from each other.
(c) (Gemara - another Mishnah): If blood became mixed with
water, if it still looks like blood, it is Kosher;
(d) If it became mixed with wine, we consider the wine to be
like water (i.e. it is as if the blood became mixed with
an equal amount of water);
(e) If it became mixed with blood of a (Chulin) Behemah or
Chayah (Shitah Mekubetzes - some explain, blood that came
out while the animal was alive, i.e. from bloodletting),
we consider the blood to be like water;
(f) R. Yehudah says, blood does not nullify blood.
(g) Question: Chachamim learn from here that Olim do not
Mevatel each other - perhaps the reason (that Dam
ha'Sa'ir is not Batel) is because it is Min b'Mino!
(h) Answer: Had the Torah taught a case other than Olim in
which Min b'Mino is not Batel, indeed, they would learn
Min b'Mino is not Batel;
1. Since the Torah taught a case of Olim, surely it is
because Olim are not Batel.
(i) Question: Perhaps both are required, i.e. Olim are not
Batel only when they are Min b'Mino!
(j) This is left difficult.
(k) Question: R. Yehudah learns from here that Min b'Mino is
not Batel - perhaps the reason is because they are Olim!
(l) Answer: Had the Torah taught a case of Olim that is Min
b'Eino Mino, indeed, they would learn that Olim are not
1. Since the Torah taught a case of Min b'Mino, surely
it is because Min b'Mino is not Batel.
(m) Question: Perhaps both are required, i.e. Olim that are
(n) This is left difficult.
(o) (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): If it was mixed with Minchas
Kohen Gadol or Nesachim it is Pasul, for they contain a
larger proportion of oil than a Kometz, and they absorb
from each other.
(p) Question: Even if they absorb from each other, why is it
Pasul, this is Min b'Mino (nothing is Batel, the entire
Kometz and the entire Minchah are offered, albeit mixed
(q) Answer (Rava): R. Yehudah holds that if an Isur is mixed
with Min and Eino Mino, we ignore Mino, Eino Mino (if
there is enough), is Mevatel it.