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1) IMPROPER "HAZA'OS"
(a) Answer #2 (to Contradiction 3:b (27B) - Rava): Both
Beraisos are like Chachamim; Beraisa #2 is Machshir when
the Kohen was facing west (towards the Ohel Mo'ed, even
if the Haza'os were not towards the Ohel Mo'ed), Beraisa
#1 is Posel when the Kohen was facing north or south.
2) THINGS THAT ARE INDISPENSABLE TO EACH OTHER
(b) (Beraisa #1 (from above)): If Haza'os inside or of a
Metzora were Lo Lishmah, they are Pesulos; if they were
(Lishmah but) not facing the Ohel Mo'ed, they are
(c) Contradiction (Beraisa #3): If Haza'os (of a Metzora)
were Lo Lishmah or not facing the Ohel Mo'ed, they are
(d) Answer #1 (Rav Yosef): Beraisa #1 is R. Eliezer, Beraisa
#3 is Chachamim:
1. R. Eliezer equates Asham to Chatas (it is Pasul Lo
Lishmah), the same applies to Log Asham (the oil),
Chachamim do not equate Asham to Chatas.
(e) Objection: R. Eliezer uses a Hekesh to equate Asham with
Chatas, he cannot learn from another Hekesh to Log Asham!
(f) Answer #2 (Rava): Both Beraisos are like Chachamim;
Beraisa #3 is Machshir the Korban, Beraisa #1 teaches
that the Metzora did not fulfill his obligation.
(a) (Mishnah): The seven branches of the Menorah are Me'akev
each other, the seven lamps are Me'akev each other;
3) THE "MENORAH" MUST BE "MIKSHAH"
(b) The two Parshiyos in a Mezuzah are Me'akev each other -
even one Kesav (this will be explained) is Me'akev;
(c) The four Parshiyos in Tefilin are Me'akev each other,
even one Kesav is Me'akev;
(d) The four Tzitzis (sets of strings on each of the four
corners of a garment) are Me'akev each other, because
they are all one Mitzvah;
(e) R. Yishmael says, each of the four is a Mitzvah by
(f) (Gemara): Question: What is the source (that seven
branches are Me'akev)?
(g) Answer: It says 'Havayah' (it will be).
(a) (Beraisa): The Menorah was made Mikshah (from one piece),
1. If it was made from pieces it is Pasul, if it was
made from other metals it is Kosher.
(b) Question: Presumably, a Menorah made from pieces is Pasul
because it says 'Mikshah" and 'Havayah';
1. Likewise, a Menorah of other metals should be Pasul,
it says "Zahav" and 'Havayah'!
(c) Answer: "Te'aseh" includes other metals.
(d) Question: Perhaps it includes a Menorah made from pieces!
(e) Answer: This cannot be, for 'Havayah' refers to "Mikshah"
(it is written closer to Mikshah than to Zahav.)
(f) Question: "Te'aseh" refers to "Mikshah" (it should
include even from pieces!)
(g) Answer: It says "Mikshah" twice, Le'akev.
(h) Question: It also says "Zahav" twice, this should also be
(i) Answer: The way we expound is reasonable - the repetition
of "Mikshah" teaches that one piece is Me'akev, the
repetition of "Zahav" teaches other laws (below);
1. But if gold was Me'akev and not one piece, what
would we learn from the repetitions of "Zahav" and
(j) Question: Indeed, a Beraisa expounds them!
1. (Beraisa): "Kikar Zahav Tahor Ya'aseh Osah Es Kol
ha'Kelim ha'Eleh" - the weight (of the Menorah and
its vessels) must be a Kikar only if the Menorah is
made of gold (which is l'Chatchilah.)
(k) Question: There is another "Mikshah" - what do we learn
2. "Gevi'eha Kaftoreha u'Fracheha" - the Menorah must
have (forms of) cups, buttons and flowers only if it
is made of gold.
3. Suggestion: Perhaps the Menorah must have branches
only if it is made of gold!
4. Rejection: Without branches, it is called a Pamut
(candlestick), not a Menorah.
5. "V'Zeh Ma'aseh ha'Menorah Mikshah Zahav" - the
Menorah must be made from one piece only if it is
made of gold.
(l) Answer: It excludes trumpets (they may be made from
1. (Beraisa): The trumpets were made from a chunk of
silver - if they were made from pieces, they are
Kesherim, from other metals, they are Pesulim.
(m) (Beraisa): All the vessels that Moshe made were Kosher
for his time and for all generations;
2. Question: Presumably, a trumpet made from other
metals is Pasul because it says 'Kesef" and
i. Likewise, a trumpet of pieces should be Pasul,
it says "Mikshah" and 'Havayah'!
3. Answer: Regarding the Menorah it says "Mikshah *Hi*"
- it must be Mikshah, trumpets need not be.
(n) The only exception is the trumpets, they were Kosher for
his time but not for all generations.
4) WHAT MAY THE "MENORAH" BE MADE FROM?
(o) Question: Why were the trumpets different?
1. Suggestion: "Ase Lecha" - for yourself, not for
(p) Answer: "Lecha" is repeated regarding trumpets ("V'Hayu
Lecha"), therefore we expound it to exclude future
2. Rejection: If so, we should similarly expound
"V'Asisa Lecha Aron Etz" - for yourself, not for
generations! (Griz - seemingly, this is like the
opinion that the broken Luchos were kept it.)
3. Rather, there are two opinions how to expound that
"Lecha" - either, make them from your own money; or,
Hash-m said 'I would prefer your Aron (for
generations) to that of Benei Yisrael (but the Aron
for the Mishkan must come from the Nedavos of all of
4. Culmination of question: We should similarly expound
"Lecha" regarding trumpets!
(a) (Rav Papa brei d'Rav Chanin - Beraisa #1): The Menorah
was made Mikshah, of gold;
5) DESIGNS ON THE "MENORAH"
1. Rebbi says, if it was made of silver it is Kosher,
from tin, lead or copper, it is Pasul;
(b) Rav Yosef: How do you explain the argument?
2. R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah is Machshir.
3. If it was made of wood, bone or glass, all agree
that it is Pasul.
(c) Rav Papa: Both Tana'im expound Klal, Prat and Klal:
1. R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah is Machshir anything like
the Prat (gold), i.e. any metal;
(d) Rav Yosef: There is a mistake in your Beraisa, rather,
adopt my Beraisa:
2. Rebbi is Machshir what is like the Prat, i.e.
silver, which is also important.
1. (Beraisa #2 - Rebbi): If a Kli Shares was made of
wood it is Pasul;
(e) Rav Papa: No, you should adopt my Beraisa in place of
yours! (Rashba - perhaps your Beraisa is about other Kli
Shares, but the Klal Prat u'Klal disqualifies a wooden
2. R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah is Machshir.
3. Question: What do they argue about?
4. Answer: Rebbi expounds Klal Prat u'Klal, R. Yosi
expounds Ribuy and Mi'ut:
i. Rebbi expounds "V'Asisa Menorah" - Klal; "Zahav
Tahor" - Prat; "Te'aseh ha'Menorah" - Klal; we
include everything like the Prat, i.e. metal;
ii. R. Yosi expounds "V'Asisa Menorah" - Ribuy;
"Zahav Tahor" - Mi'ut; "Te'aseh ha'Menorah" -
iii. The Ribuy includes everything, the Mi'ut
excludes only one thing, earthenware vessels
(which are lowly, not at all like the Prat.)
(f) Rav Yosef: No, another Beraisa supports my Beraisa!
1. (Beraisa #3): If there was no gold to make the
Menorah, it may be made of silver; copper, iron, tin
2. R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah is Machshir even wood.
3. (Beraisa #4): One may not build a house the same
size (dimensions) of the Heichal, nor an Achsadra (a
room open on one side) the size of the Ulam, nor a
Chatzer the size of Azarah, nor a table the size of
the Shulchan, nor a candelabra like the Menorah;
4. One may make a candelabra of five, six, or eight
branches; seven is forbidden, even from metals other
5. R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah forbids seven even from wood
- the Chashmona'im (who were very poor) made a
6. Chachamim: No - they made a Menorah with shafts of
iron covered with tin; when they became richer, they
made a silver Menorah; when they became richer, they
made one of gold.
(a) (Shmuel): The Menorah was 18 Tefachim tall:
1. The base was three Tefachim, the third Tefach was
(in the shape of) a flower; above this were two
smooth Tefachim (without design);
(b) The cups were like those of Alexandria (long and narrow),
the buttons were like apples of Karti (Rambam - egg
shaped), the flowers were like those sculpted on pillars.
2. The next Tefach had (shapes of) a cup, button and
flower (Rashi - each occupied a third of the
circumference; Tosfos seems to learn, they were one
above the other);
3. The next two Tefachim were smooth, then a Tefach
like a button, with two branches emitting from it,
one projecting outwards to each side, and up to the
height of the Menorah;
4. The next Tefach was smooth, then a Tefach button,
with two branches coming out (up to the height of
5. The next Tefach was smooth, then a Tefach button,
with two branches coming out;
6. The next two Tefachim were smooth, the last three
Tefachim had three cups, a button and a flower.
(c) In all, there were 22 cups, 11 buttons and nine flowers;
each design is Me'akev itself and the others (if any are
lacking, the Menorah is Pasul.)
(d) Question: We understand why there are 22 cups -
"Uva'Menorah Arba'ah Gevi'im Sheloshah Gevi'im Meshukadim
ba'Kaneh ha'Echad Kaftor va'Ferach" - four on the central
shaft, and 18 (in all) on the branches;
1. We understand why there are 11 buttons - two on the
central shaft, six (in all) on the branches, and
three where the branches come off the central shaft;
(e) Answer (Rav Salman): "Ad Yerechah Ad Pirchah Mikshah Hi"
teaches another one.
2. What is the source for nine flowers - there are two
on the central shaft and six on the branches, this
is only eight!