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1) IS ZERIKAH NEEDED FOR KIDUSH?
(a) (Beraisa): The two lambs are Mekadesh only through
2) DOES ZERIKAH LO LISHMAH PERMIT THE BREAD?
1. If they were slaughtered Lishmah and Zerikah was
Lishmah, they are Mekadesh the bread;
(b) Question: What is Rebbi's reason?
2. If slaughter and Zerikah were Lo Lishmah, they are
3. Rebbi says, if slaughter was Lishmah and Zerikah was
Lo Lishmah, the bread is Kadosh and not Kadosh (this
will be explained);
4. R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon says, it is not Kadosh
unless slaughter and Zerikah were both Lishmah.
(c) Answer: "V'Es ha'Ayil Ya'aseh *Zevach* Shelamim la'Sh-m
Al Sal ha'Matzos" - this teaches that slaughter is
Mekadesh (Lachmei Nazir, we learn Shtei ha'Lechem from
(d) R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon learns from "Ya'aseh" - all the
Asiyos (actions, i.e. including Zerikah) are Mekadesh.
(e) Question: How does Rebbi expound "Ya'aseh"?
(f) Answer: Had it said 'Zevach Ya'aseh', Rebbi would agree
(even after Zevichah, other actions are needed);
1. However, it says "Ya'aseh Zevach", teaching that the
crucial action is slaughter.
(g) Question: How does R. Elazar expound Zevach?
(h) Answer: That teaches R. Yochanan's law:
1. (R. Yochanan): All agree that there must be bread
(Tosfos - in the Azarah) at the time of slaughter.
(i) Question: What does it mean 'The bread is Kadosh and not
(j) Answer #1 (Abaye): It is Kadosh, but not fully Kadosh;
(k) Answer #2 (Rava): It is Kadosh, but it is not permitted
(l) Question: (Abaye agrees that it is not permitted to
Kohanim -) what is the difference between these answers?
(m) They argue whether or not it is Tofes (transfers its
Kedushah to) Pidyono (money used to redeem it):
1. Version #1 (Rashi): Abaye holds that it is Tofes
Pidyono (it only has Kedushas Damim (monetary
Kedushah), it can be redeemed), Rava holds that it
is not (it has Kedushas ha'Guf (intrinsic
(n) Question: We understand according to Rava, Rebbi and R.
Elazar argue about whether or not it is not Tofes Pidyono
(R. Elazar says that it is (Rashi; Tosfos - not));
2. Version #2 (Tosfos): Abaye holds that it is not
Tofes Pidyono (for its Kedushah is weak), Rava holds
that it is.
1. But according to Abaye, what do they argue about?
(Rebbi says that it is (Rashi; Tosfos - not) Tofes
Pidyono, all the more so R. Elazar, who says that it
is less Kadosh!)
(o) Answer: Rebbi holds that it is Nifsal if it leaves the
Azarah, R. Elazar holds that it is not.
(a) Question (Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak): If Kivsei Atzeres
were slaughtered Lishmah and Zerikah was Lo Lishmah, may
the bread be eaten?
1. Question: According to which Tana does he ask?
i. He does not ask according to R. Elazar, who
says that Zerikah is Mekadesh (surely, it may
not be eaten!)
2. Answer: He asks according to R. Akiva:
ii. He does not ask according to Rebbi - Abaye and
Rava agree that Rebbi forbids eating it!
i. (R. Yirmeyah bar Aba's father - Beraisa - R.
Eliezer): If Shtei ha'Lechem left the Azarah
between slaughter and Zerikah of the two lambs,
and Zerikah was with intent Chutz li'Zmano, the
bread is not Pigul;
3. (Rav Sheshes): These Tana'im hold like Rebbi, who
says that slaughter is Mekadesh;
ii. R. Akiva says, it is Pigul.
i. Each is as he holds elsewhere - R. Eliezer
holds that Zerikah does not take effect on
Yotzei, R. Akiva holds that it does:
3) IS ZERIKAH PERMITTED LO LISHMAH?
(b) Question (Rav Papa): We need not say that R. Eliezer and
R. Akiva argue about Zerikah at a time when Shtei
ha'Lechem are outside;
ii. (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): If Eimurim of Kodshim
Kalim left the Azarah before Zerikah, one is
not liable for them for the following -
Me'ilah, Pigul, Nosar and Tamei;
4. Formulation of Question (a): Just like Zerikah Chutz
li'Zmano is Mefagel the bread as if it was Kosher
(even though it was Yotzei; some texts say, as if it
was meat), Zerikah Lo Lishmah permits the bread (as
if it was Kosher/meat);
iii. R. Akiva says, all of these apply to them.
5. Or, perhaps we consider it to be Kosher (or meat) to
be stringent, not to be lenient!
1. Perhaps all agree that it does not take effect, they
argue when they were returned to the Azarah before
(c) Objection: We cannot explain this way!
2. R. Eliezer holds like Rebbi, who says that slaughter
is Mekadesh, they were Nifsalim through Yotzei (even
according to Abaye, therefore Pigul cannot apply to
3. R. Akiva holds like R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, who
says that slaughter is not Mekadesh, they were not
Nifsalim through Yotzei (therefore they can become
1. We can say that R. Akiva holds like Rebbi -
slaughter is Mekadesh, Zerikah makes Pigul;
(d) Answer: We can explain like Rav Papa, for Rav Gidal was
2. But if R. Akiva holds like R. Elazar, slaughter is
not Mekadesh, Zerikah cannot make Pigul!
i. (Rav Gidal): Zerikas Pigul (i.e. with intent
Chutz li'Zmano) does not cause Me'ilah to
apply, nor does it uproot Me'ilah (in
situations where a Kosher Zerikah would):
ii. It does not cause Me'ilah to apply to Eimurim
of Kodshim Kalim, it does not uproot Me'ilah
from meat of Kodshei Kodoshim.
(a) Question (R. Yirmeyah): If Kivsei Atzeres were
slaughtered Lishmah and the bread was lost (the lambs are
Pesulim for Kivsei Atzeres, for slaughter was Zokek -)
may Zerikah be done Lo Lishmah (l'Shem Shelamim) to
permit the meat?
(b) Answer (R. Zeira): No, we never find that something is
Pasul Lishmah and Kosher Lo Lishmah.
(c) Objection: We do - Korban Pesach is Pasul Lishmah before
noon of Erev Pesach, it is Kosher Lo Lishmah (l'Shem
(d) Clarification (R. Zeira): I meant, we never find that
something that was Kosher Lishmah and was Nidcheh, and is
Pasul Lishmah but Kosher Lo Lishmah.
(e) Objection: We do - Korban Pesach was Kosher Lishmah on
Erev Pesach, (if it was not offered) it was Nidcheh,
after Pesach it is Pasul Lishmah and Kosher Lo Lishmah
(f) Clarification (R. Zeira): I meant, we never find that
something that was Kosher Lishmah, was slaughtered
Lishmah, was Nidcheh and is Pasul (if Nizrak) Lishmah,
but is Kosher Lo Lishmah.
(g) Objection: We do - Todah! (If after slaughter the bread
was lost, it is Pasul l'Shem Todah, it is Kosher l'Shem
(h) Answer: Todah is different, for it is called Shelamim
(therefore, l'Shem Shelamim is Lishmah.)