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1) SLAUGHTER FOR TOO MANY LOAVES
(a) (Beraisa): If the two lambs were slaughtered for (i.e. to
Mekadesh) four loaves, we take two loaves and wave them
with the lambs, the other loaves are redeemed and eaten.
2) TRANSGRESSING FOR THE SAKE OF TIKUN
(b) (Rabanan): This is unlike Rebbi - since Rebbi says that
slaughter is Mekadesh, we cannot redeem the other loaves!
1. If they (the extra two; Rashi - all) are taken
outside the Azarah to be redeemed, they (Rashi - the
Kosher ones) are Nifsalim on account of Yotzei;
(c) (Rav Chisda): Really, it is like Rebbi, they are redeemed
2. If one redeems them inside, he brings Chulin
1. *Kodesh* was brought into the Azarah, through
redemption it automatically becomes Chulin (this is
not considered bringing Chulin b'Azarah.)
(d) Question (Ravina - Beraisa): They are redeemed outside.
(e) Answer: Surely, this is like R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon -
according to Rebbi, they would be Nifsalim on account of
(f) Suggestion (Rav Acha brei d'Rava): The Beraisa refutes
the following teaching of R. Yochanan!
1. (Chizkiyah): If a Todah (which is brought with 40
loaves) was slaughtered for 80 loaves, 40 of them
(g) Answer: We learned that R. Yochanan agrees if the
slaughterer said that he only intends to Mekadesh 40 of
them, 40 become Kodesh - in the Beraisa, he said that he
only intends to Mekadesh two loaves.
2. (R. Yochanan): None of them become Kodesh.
(a) (R. Chanina or Tirasa - Beraisa): If four lambs were
slaughtered for two loaves, we take (the blood of) two
lambs and do Zerikah Lo Lishmah (l'Shem Shelamim - this
permits Haktaras Eimurim and eating the meat.)
1. If not (i.e. we will Zorek the first two Lishmah),
the latter lambs will have to be burned (they were
Nidchim after slaughter Lishmah).
(b) Question (R. Yochanan): Do we transgress (to throw the
blood Lo Lishmah) in order to gain (to salvage the other
1. (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): If Ivrei (limbs of) a Chatas
were mixed with Ivrei Olah, we burn all of them on
the Mizbe'ach - (even though Ivrei Chatas may not be
burned for Re'ach Nicho'ach,) we consider the Chatas
to be like wood;
(c) Answer: We transgress in (a matter in order to gain in
the same matter, e.g. in) a Chatas in order to gain in a
Chatas, we do not transgress in a Chatas in order to gain
in an Olah.
2. Chachamim say, we wait for Ibur Tzurah, then all are
burned in Beis ha'Sereifah.
3. We do not transgress (Lehaktir all the limbs,
including Ivrei Chatas) in order to gain (Lehaktir
(d) Question: We do not transgress in a matter in order to
gain in the same matter!
1. If Kivsei Atzeres were slaughtered Lo Lishmah, or if
they were slaughtered before or after the proper
time (Shavu'os), we Zorek the blood and eat the
(e) Answer: We would transgress on Shabbos to gain on Shabbos
- here, the gain (Haktaras ha'Chelev) is on Motzei
Shabbos, it is forbidden.
2. If Shavu'os was on Shabbos, we do not Zorek the
i. If Zerikah was done, this permits Haktaras
ha'Chelev at night.
3. We do not transgress (to do Zerikah l'Chatchilah) to
(f) Question: We do transgress in a matter in order to gain
in a different matter!
1. (Mishnah): If a barrel of Terumah wine broke in the
upper Gas (winepress) and it is about to fall into
Tamei Chulin below, R. Eliezer and R. Yehoshua agree
that if one can save a Revi'is in Taharah, he must
2. If he cannot:
i. R. Eliezer says, he must allow the Terumah to
fall (even though it will become Tamei, mix
with all the wine and forbid the mixture even
to a Kohen), he may not actively Metamei it
(e.g. to catch it in a Tamei vessel);
(g) Answer: That is different, for the Terumah will become
Tamei in any event.
ii. R. Yehoshua says, (in order to save the Chulin)
he may actively Metamei the Terumah.
(h) (Rav Yitzchak): If Kivsei Atzeres were slaughtered
improperly (Lo Lishmah; alternatively, they were too old)
they are Pesulim - they are burned in Beis ha'Sereifah
after Ibur Tzurah.
(i) Rav Nachman: You equate these Shalmei Tzibur to Chatas -
Tana d'vei Levi equates them to Shalmei Nedavah, he is
1. (Tana d'vei Levi): Shalmei Nazir that were
slaughtered improperly may be eaten for one day and
a night, they are not brought with bread, the law of
Zero'a Beshelah (the foreleg of Ayil Nazir is cooked
and given to the Kohen) does not apply.
(j) Question (Beraisa): If a second year animal was brought
for an Asham that must be in its first year, or
vice-versa, it is Pasul; it is burned in Beis ha'Sereifah
after Ibur Tzurah;
1. However, if a second year Olah was brought for Olas
Nazir, Yoledes or Metzora, it is Kosher.
(k) Answer: That Beraisa is like Tana d'vei Levi (who learns
Chovah from Nedavah, not from Chovah):
2. The general rule is, anything Kosher for Olas
Nedavah (e.g. whether it is one or two years old) is
Kosher (at least, b'Diavad) for Olas Chovah;
i. Anything Pasul for Chatas is Pasul for an
Asham, except for Lo Lishmah.
(l) Question: Levi taught, if Asham Nazir or Asham Metzora
was slaughtered Lo Lishmah, it is Kosher, the owner did
not fulfill his obligation.
1. If the owner was Mechusar Zeman, or the sheep was
two years old (a yearling is required), it is Pasul.
(m) Question: If he learns Shelamim from Shelamim, he should
also learn Asham from Asham, i.e. Asham Nazir and Asham
Metzora from Asham Gezeilos and Asham Me'ilos (and
Machshir a second year ram), and also Asham Gezeilos and
Asham Me'ilos from Asham Nazir and Asham Metzora (and
Machshir a yearling lamb for these!)
2. Levi does not learn (Asham, which is Chovah) from
3. Answer: He learns Shelamim (Chovah) from Shelamim
(Nedavah), he does not learn Asham from Shelamim.
(n) Answer (Rav Simi Bar Ashi): We learn b'Diavad from
b'Diavad, not from what is l'Chatchilah.
(o) Question: We do learn b'Diavad from l'Chatchilah!
1. (Beraisa) Question: What is the source that if
Yotzei (Eimurim that left the Azarah) were brought
on the Mizbe'ach, we do not take them down?
(p) Answer: The Tana really learns from "Zos Toras ha'Olah"
(and not from its Hechsher on a Bamah.)
2. Answer: Because Yotzei is Kosher on a Bamah, it is
not taken down from the Mizbe'ach.