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Previous daf Menachos 52
1) THE PURCHASE OF THE "PAR HE'ELAM DAVAR"
(a) (Beraisa #1 - R. Yehudah): If (most of Yisrael
transgressed on account of a mistaken Hora'ah of the
Great Sanhedrin, so) we must bring Par He'elam Davar (and
for idolatry, Se'iri Avodah Zarah), we collect money to
2) OFFERING "CHAVITIM" WITH A FULL "ISARON"
(b) R. Shimon says, it is bought from Shekalim in Terumas
(c) Contradiction (Beraisa #2): R. Shimon says that we
collect money, R. Yehudah says that it comes from Terumas
(d) Question: Which Beraisa is later (after they retracted,
we will rely on it)?
(e) Answer #1 (Rabanan): Presumably, Beraisa #1 is more
authoritative, for we know that R. Shimon is concerned
for negligence (e.g. of heirs of the Kohen Gadol.)
(f) Rejection (Rav Ashi): Perhaps Beraisa #2 is more
authoritative, i.e. R. Shimon is (normally) concerned for
negligence, but not regarding things brought for
(g) Answer #2 (Rabah Zuti - Beraisa - R. Shimon): "Es
*Korbani Lachmi l'Ishai* Re'ach Nichochi Tishmeru
Lehakriv Li b'Moado" - the extra words include Par
He'elam Davar and Se'iri Avodah Zarah, that they come
from Terumas ha'Lishkah. (Since he expounds a verse,
presumably this was his final opinion, like Beraisa #1.)
(a) (Mishnah): The full amount was offered.
(b) Question (R. Chiya bar Aba): Was the full amount offered
in the morning and again in the afternoon, or only in the
morning, and nothing was offered in the afternoon?
(c) Answer (Rava - Mishnah): The eighth (Kohen selected in
the lottery) offered the Chavitim.
1. (We learned that 13 Kohanim engaged in the morning
Tamid, 13 in the afternoon Tamid -) if it is not
offered in the afternoon, sometimes there are only
12, i.e. when the Kohen died and was not replaced!
(d) Rejection (R. Yirmeyah - Mishnah): The seventh offered
the Soles...the ninth offered the wine.
1. According to Rava, we should say that also these are
offered without fail - but we know that "Minchasam
v'Niskeihem" may be offered that night or the next
(e) Retraction (Rava): Indeed, I erred.
2. Rather, we must say that the Mishnah discusses the
normal case, it does not mention exceptions;
i. Likewise, it does not mention when Chavitim are
not offered in the afternoon!
(f) Retraction of retraction (Rava): My teaching was correct
- "Soles Minchas Tamid", Chavitim are like Minchas Tamid
(they are offered without fail.)
(g) Question: What was the conclusion?
(h) Answer (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak - Beraisa): The full
amount is offered in the morning and in the afternoon.
(i) (R. Yochanan): Aba Yosi ben Dostai and Chachamim argue
about (the normal Hakravah of) Chavitim:
1. Aba Yosi ben Dostai says, two Komtzim of Levonah are
brought with it, one in the morning and one in the
(j) Question: Why do they argue?
2. Chachamim say, one Kometz is brought, half in the
morning and half in the afternoon.
(k) Answer: Aba Yosi says, we never find half a Kometz
offered; Chachamim say, we never find two Komtzim offered
for one Isaron.
(l) Question (R. Yochanan): According to Chachamim, if the
Kohen Gadol died and was not replaced, do we double the
Levonah (and offer a full Kometz with the Isaron, morning
***** PEREK KOL HA'MENACHOS ****
1. Since double the flour is offered, also double the
Levonah is offered;
(m) Question #2: According to everyone, do we double the oil?
2. Or, perhaps we double only what the Torah explicitly
says to double?
(n) Answer (Rava - Mishnah): The Shi'ur of a Kometz applies
to five things...
1. If a full Kometz is offered morning and afternoon,
both of these should be counted, there would be
(o) Rejection: The Mishnah does not discuss b'Diavad cases.
2. (Surely, the Mishnah is like Chachamim; presumably,
just like the Levonah is not doubled, also the oil.
We have no source that Aba Yosi argues about oil.)
(p) Objection (Rav Yosef bar Shemayah): One of the five cases
is one who offers a Kometz outside the Mikdash (is
liable), which is b'Diavad!
(q) Question: What was the conclusion?
(r) Answer (to both questions - Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak -
Beraisa): If the Kohen Gadol died and was not replaced,
in the morning we offer a full Isaron, a full Kometz, and
use half of the three Lugim of oil; we offer the same in
1. Question: Who is the Tana?
(s) (R. Yochanan): The Halachah follows Aba Yosi.
i. If it is Chachamim, why is the Levonah doubled,
but not the oil?!
2. Answer: It is Aba Yosi, who says that two Komtzim
are always brought with Chavitim - neither the
Levonah nor the oil is doubled.
3. We have no source that Tana'im argue about oil -
surely, Chachamim also say that it is not doubled,
and also Levonah is not doubled.
(t) Question: But R. Yochanan taught that the Halachah
follows a Stam (unauthored) Mishnah (and the above
Mishnah is like Chachamim!)
(u) Answer: Amora'im argue about what R. Yochanan said
(really, he said only one of the above two teachings.)
3) ALL "MENACHOS" ARE "MATZAH"
(a) (Mishnah): All Menachos are Matzah, except for the
Chametz loaves brought with Todah and Shtei ha'Lechem,
which are Chametz:
1. R. Meir says, we take some flour from the Isaron,
knead it, and return it to the flour - it becomes
Se'or (sourdough) and ferments the rest.
2. R. Yehudah says, this is not ideal fermentation -
rather, old (well-fermented) Se'or is put into the
measuring Kli, flour is added to complete the
3. Chachamim: If so, there will be too much or too