ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Menachos 88
(a) The Rabbanan query Rebbi Shimon (who replaces the Hin measure with that
of a Log and a half) - in that they could have used the third of a Log
measure (and measured three times) instead?
(b) Rebbi Shimon retorted - that they too, could have dispensed with the
half-Log and the Log measure, and used a quarter-Log measure instead.
(c) The reason that, according to Rebbi Shimon, they did not use the
half-Log measure for the Chavitei Kohen Gadol, and the quarter Log measure
in place of the half-Log and Log measures is - because of the principle that
a measure that is used for one measure, cannot be used for a different
(d) The Tana who does not hold of this principle is - Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi
Tzadok, who prescribes one vessel with different markings.
(a) 'Birutzei Midos' - are the drops of wine which spill over the side of
(b) In the opinion of Rebbi Yochanan, that is what distinguishes between
Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yehudah. The measure that Hashem initially give to
Moshe at Har Sinai, according to ...
1. ... Rebbi Yehudah was - a Revi'is ha'Log (and a Revi'is ha'Hin).
(c) And Moshe was to proceed from there, according to ...
2. ... Rebbi Meir was - a Hin.
1. ... Rebbi Yehudah - by pouring two Revi'iyos into a K'li of half a Log
(in order to ascertain how much it contained), and then four Revi'is into a
vessel of one Log, and so on.
(d) Consequently, according to ...
2. ... Rebbi Meir - by filling up a vessel containing a Hin, and then
pouring it into two measures of half a Hin each, then into three vessels of
a third of a Hin, and so on.
1. ... Rebbi Yehudah, pouring from a small vessel into a larger one would
automatically result in large measures spilling over the side of the K'li
before entering the large one (which is why he considers the Birutzei
2. ... Rebbi Meir, since they would pour from the large vessel into smaller
ones, there would be little spillage if any (which will explain why he does
not need to consider the Birutzei ha'Midos sanctified).
(a) Abaye disagrees with Rebbi Yochanan. According to him, the Machlokes is
based on the Pasuk in Naso "Sheneihem Melei'im So'les". Rebbi Meir, who
holds that Moshe was first given the Hin measure, holds 'she'Lo Yechsar
ve'she'Lo Yosir'. Rebbi Yehudah cannot agree with that - because two vessels
of liquid full will inevitably contain more one larger one, either because
one always adds a little (and two additions are more than one, or because of
the double amount of froth.
(b) Both Tana'im will agree however - either that Birutzei Midos are
sanctified or that they are not.
(a) The Rabbanan counter Rebbi Shimon's argument that the Hin serves no
purpose in the Mikdash - by referring to to the anointing oil, which
comprised one Hin.
(b) The basis of their Machlokes is - whether, since it was only used on
that one occasion, it was hidden immediately after use (Rebbi Shimon) or
whether, having been manufactured and sanctified, it remained with them
(even though it was not used again.
(c) Rebbi Shimon in our Mishnah, replaced the Hin measure with that of a Log
and a half. The Hin measure was not needed, yet it had to be replaced -
because of the tradition that there have to be seven Midos (measuring
vessels, as Ravina will teach us later in the Perek).
(d) It appears that Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Tzadok (who validates one vessel
but containing markings( does not hold of this principle either. However, we
amend the Lashon 'Sheva Midos' to - 'Sheva Medidos' ('seven measures', which
may all appear in one vessel), in order to accommodate him.
(a) The ...
1. ... Revi'is ha'Log, besides being used for the quarter of a Log of water
for the purification of a Metzora - was also used for the Revi'is of oil for
the Minchah of a Nazir (as will be explained later).
(b) The Log was used - for all the Menachos.
2. ... Chatzi Log, besides being used for the half a Log of water for a
Sotah to drink - was also used for the half a Log of oil for the Todah (as
will be explained later).
(c) Based on the Pasuk "le'Minchah ve'Log Shamen", one Log of oil was needed
for a Minchah consisting of sixty Esronim of flour.
(d) For ...
1. ... a Minchas Nesachim of a Par, an Ayil and a Keves - they used six,
four and three Lugin of oil and wine, respectively.
2. ... the Menorah each day, they used - three and a half Lugin (half a Log
for each lamp).
(a) The problem Rebbi has with our Mishnah, which requires the Revi'is
ha'Log measure for the quarter of a Log of ...
1. ... water for a Metzora is - that the Metzora's purification ceremony
took place in the Gate of Nikanor, which was not sanctified (so why would
they need a K'li Shareis to sanctify the water that was used there)?
(b) Rebbi Chiya solved Rebbi's problem - by citing the twelve Chavitei Kohen
Gadol, each of which contained a Revi'is ha'Log.
2. ... oil for the loaves of a Nazir's Minchah is - that the loaves only
became sanctified with the Shechitah of the Eil Nazir, and not through the
addition of the oil.
(c) Rebbi cited the Pasuk "me'Eretz Merchak Ish Atzasi" with regard to Rebbi
Chiya - because he (Rebbi Chiya) originated from Bavel.
(a) The problem Rebbi has with our Mishnah, which requires the Chatzi ha'Log
measure to measure half a Log of ...
1. ... water for the Sotah to drink is - that the water for the Sotah is
specifically referred to as 'Mayim Kedoshim', and does not require
(b) Rebbi Shimon b'Rebbi solved Rebbi's problem - by ascribing the Chatzi
ha'Log to the oil that was used in each lamp of the Menorah.
2. ... oil for the Todah is - that the Lachmei Todah are sanctified by the
Shechitah of the Korban Todah, and not through the addition of the oil (like
the loaves of a Nazir's Minchah).
(c) Rebbi responded to that - by referring to him as 'Ner Yisrael', adding
that this was the correct answer.
(d) Rebbi Yochanan Amar Rebbi says - that the oil and (even) the wicks of a
lamp of the Menorah in the Beis-Hamikdash that went out during the night,
due to a lack of oil, must both be replaced (even if the wick is still in
(a) Rebbi Zeira asked how much oil was needed to replace the oil that they
removed - the full third of a Log or only as much as was needed to replace
the oil that they removed.
(b) Rebbi Yirmiyah replied emphatically that they had to refill the lamp
with half a Log, like they poured in initially.
1. He considered this obvious - because how would the Kohen otherwise know
how much oil to pour in.
(c) And we know for sure that Rebbi Yirmiyah is right - because it is
corroborated by a statement in the name of Rebbi.
2. Nor could he rely on his assessment, even he would have known - because
then an additional measuring vessel with the appropriate amount of oil would
have been required, and that in turn, would entail countless numbers of such
vessels, to accommodate the numerous possibilities (notwithstanding the fact
that seven only are required).
(a) Rebbi Zeira was so overjoyed with Rebbi Yirmiyah's answer - that he
quoted the Pasuk "ve'Hadarcha Tz'lach u'Rechav al D'var Emes ... " ...
(b) ... which roughly translated, means 'and your glory comes through the
Emes that you attained ... '.
(c) That lamp, which obviously burned longer than all the other lamps, was
allowed to burn until they extinguished the Ner ha'Ma'aravi, when they would
first extinguish the former.
(a) When Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua Amar Rav Sheishes says that the
Menorah in the Beis-Hamikdash was made of Perakim, he means - that the lamps
were fused with the Menorah in such a way that they could be moved (but not
(b) This is because he interprets "Kikar" and "Mikshah" (in Tetzaveh) - as
pertaining to the lamps as well as to the Menorah (though this statement is
confined to the current interpretation of Rav Sheishes statement).
(c) Other than that the lamps themselves were made in such a way that they
could be moved without detaching them, Rav Sheishes might mean - that the
lamps had caps, and it was they that were moveable (without being
(d) And he makes this statement - because otherwise, how would the Kohanim
be able to clean out the leftover oil and wicks each morning (during the
ceremony of 'Hatavas Neiros')?
(a) Rav Sheishes however, clashes with a Beraisa. According to the Tana -
the Kohanim would actually remove the lamps in order to clean them out and
replace the wicks and the oil.
(b) We reconcile Rav Sheishes with the Beraisa - by citing a Machlokes
Tana'im (as we shall now see).
(c) And we amend the Beraisa 'Lo Hayu Mezizin Osah mi'Mekomah' (implying
that they could have moved the lamps had they so wished) to - 'Lo Haysah
Zazah' (which implies that they could not be removed at all).
(d) We equate the Chachamim in the Beraisa with Rebi Elazar b'Rebbi Tzadok,
who, describing the cleaning of the Menorah, states - that when cleaning out
the Menorah, they would push the cap (which like the lamp, was made out of
the same piece of gold as the Menorah itself) to a vertical position, and
when pouring out the oil, he would push it back to cover the lamp (and pour
in the oil via a hole in it). See Rashi, K'sav Yad.
(a) According to the Tana Kama of the Beraisa, the Kikar that comprises the
Menorah does not include its tweezers or its little shovels. Rebbi Nechemyah
adds - the lamps to the list.
(b) Rebbi Nechemyah himself however, says differently in a Beraisa. Based on
the Pasuk "Kikar Zahav Tahor Ya'aseh Osah" ...
1. ... from "Eis Kol ha'Keilim ha'Eileh" - he includes the lamps in the
Kikar (and in the Din of Mikshah).
(c) We reconcile the discrepancy in Rebbi Nechemyah's two rulings - by
turning it into a Machlokes Tana'im in the opinion of Rebbi Nechemyah.
2. ... from "Osah" - he precludes the tweezers and the little shovels from
the Kikar of gold.
(a) Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah disagrees with Rebbi Nechemyah's latter
ruling. From "Osah" - he precludes the lamps, as well as the tweezers and
the little shovels, from the Kikar of gold.
(b) Whereas "Eis Kol ha'Keilim ha'Eileh" - comes to include the accessories
in the Din of gold.
(c) Indeed, we already know this from the Pasuk "Ve'asisa es Neirosehah
Shiv'ah ... u'Malkachehah u'Machtosehah Zahav Tahor". Nevertheless, we need
the Pasuk to teach us that even the location of the wick must be made of
pure gold, too.
(d) Otherwise, we might have thought - that since that area anyway becomes
black from the flame, it would be a waste of money to make it out of pure
gold, since, as we have already learned, Hashem generally spares Yisrael
unnecessary monetary expense.