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Nedarim 6

NEDARIM 6 (Tamuz 22) - dedicated by Zvi and Tamara Sand of Har Nof, Yerushalayim, for the Yahrzeit of Tamara's father, Shlomo Zevulun ben Yakov Tzvi Ben-David.

1) THE BERAISA OF INCONCLUSIVE YADAYIM (Cont.)

(a) Question: We see that inconclusive Yadayim are not effective:
1. (Beraisa) Saying "This (person) is on me as a Korban" is effective.
2. We see that it only works if he said "on me"!?
(b) Answer: Without "on me," it isn't a Yad at all; he may be referring to Hefker or Tzedakah.
(c) Question: It is referring to Korban, for which "on me" isn't even usually required!?
(d) Answer: The correct inference is that without "on me," the other person is also forbidden from him, as it may refer to Hekdesh.
(e) Question: We see that inconclusive Yadayim are not effective:
1. (Beraisa) Saying "This is a chatas" is ineffective, even if he is already liable for one.
2. Saying "This is my chatas" is effective, provided he is liable for one.
3. We see that he must say "my"!
(f) Answer: This follows R. Yehudah, who said regarding Get that conclusive Yadayim are required.
(g) Question: It had been claimed that Abayey was even going according to R. Yehudah!?
(h) Answer: This was retracted.
(i) Question: Have we also retracted from saying that Rava was even going according to the Rabbanan?
(j) Answer: No, he would still hold that it is only with Get that they hol dthus as it is less inconclusive.
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2) YAD FOR KIDDUSHIN

(a) Question (Rav Papa): Is there a concept of Yad for Kiddushin?
1. Question: If he was Mekadesh a woman and said to another, "And you, too," obviously it works!?
2. Answer: It is referring to where he only said "and you"; do we take it to mean "and you too" or do we take it to mean "and you watch."
3. Question: Surely since Rav Papa asked about Shmuel's opinion regarding inconclusive Yadayim with Kiddushin, we see he held of the concept of Yad with Kiddushin!?
4. Answer: He was only asking according to Shmuel's viewpoint.
3) YAD FOR PEYAH
(a) Question (Rav Papa): Is there a concept of Yad for Peyah?
1. Question: If he said "This row should be Peyah, and this one too" obviously it works!?
2. Answer: It is referring to where he only said "and this one" without saying "too."
3. Question: Can we infer from here that he can make the whole field Peyah if he wants?
4. Answer: Yes, and it is deduced from a verse.
5. The question is as to whether its Hekesh to Korbanos also serves to transfer the rule of Yados, or only for Bal T'acher.
6. Question: Where is this Hekesh?
7. Answer: The Braisa expounds that "from you" (written regarding Bal T'acher) includes Leket, Shikchah, and Peyah.
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