(Permission is granted to print and redistribute this material
as long as this header and the footer at the end are included.)


POINT BY POINT SUMMARY

Prepared by Rabbi N. Slifkin
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld


Ask A Question on the daf

Previous daf

Nedarim 84

1) A VOW AGAINST THE CREATIONS

(a) Question (Rava, against Rav Nachman): A Mishnah proves that when she says 'creations', she includes her husband!
1. (Mishnah): 'I will not have relations with Yehudim' - her husband annuls the part of the vow relevant to himself, and she is forbidden to all other Yisraelim.
2. (Text of the Rosh) If the husband is excluded - why must he annul the part relevant to himself?
(b) Answer: Normally, the husband is excluded; in this case, he is included, for we may assume she forbids to herself something which was permitted.
2) AGRICULTURAL GIFTS
(a) (Mishnah): She can take Leket, Shichchah and Pe'ah.
(b) Contradiction: The Mishnah omits Ma'aser Ani (tithe of the poor) - but a Beraisa teaches it!
(c) Answer #1 (Rav Yosef): The Beraisa is as R. Eliezer; our Mishnah is as Chachamim.
1. (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): One need not (even verbally) designate the tithe of the poor from Demai (doubtfully tithed produce);
84b---------------------------------------84b

2. Chachamim say, one must declare which part of the produce is the tithe, but it need not be physically separated.
3. Suggestion: Chachamim, who say that even when in doubt (if it has been tithed) the produce is forbidden before declaring the tithe of the poor, hold that the owner has Tovas Hana'ah (the privilege to decide which poor people he will give it to; therefore, she may not take it, for this is benefit from the owner);
i. R. Eliezer, who says that when in doubt the produce is permitted before declaring the tithe of the poor, hold that the owner has no Tovas Hana'ah; therefore, she may take it.
(d) Answer #2 (Abaye): All agree that even when in doubt, the produce is forbidden before declaring the tithe of the poor;
1. R. Eliezer holds that common people were not suspected of not separating the tithe of the poor.
i. (One who does not want to give it) may declare his property ownerless; this makes him a poor person, and he may take the tithe himself.
2. Chachamim hold that they were suspected of not separating it;
i. A person is afraid to declare his property ownerless, lest someone else take it!
(e) Answer #3 (Rava): The Mishnah speaks of tithe of the poor distributed from the owner's house - the Torah said this is given to the poor (so she may not take it, for this is benefiting from the owner);
1. The Beraisa speaks of tithe of the poor distributed from the granaries - the Torah said this is left for the poor (so she may take it, for this is not benefiting from the owner).
3) GIFTS AND TITHES FOR KOHANIM AND LEVI'IM
(a) (Mishnah): 'Kohanim and Leviyim may not benefit from me' - they may take against his will ...
(b) We infer, Tovas Hana'ah (the privilege to decide to whom to give the gifts) is not considered as money (a monetary stake in the gifts).
(c) Question (end of the Mishnah): 'These Kohanim and Leviyim may not benefit from me' - others take the gifts.
1. Since the forbidden Kohanim and Leviyim cannot take, it must be that Tovas Hana'ah is as money!
(d) Answer #1 (R. Hoshaya): The beginning of the Mishnah is as R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah; she end of the Mishnah is as Rebbi.
1. (Beraisa - Rebbi): One who stole and ate Tevel (untithed produce) - he pays the owner the value of Tevel (i.e. the part which the owner keeps, and the Tovas Hana'ah of the gifts he must give);
2. R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah says, he only pays the value of the Chulin (the part the owner keeps).
Next daf

Index


For further information on
subscriptions, archives and sponsorships,
contact Kollel Iyun Hadaf,
daf@shemayisrael.co.il