ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous dafPesachim 89
(a) If a wart is found on one of five Pesach-skins, they do not ...
1. ... each bring a lamb and stipulate that if he was Yotze with the first
Pesach, then this Pesach should be a Shelamim - because of the Chazeh
ve'Shok of a Shelamim, which must be given to a Kohen, whereas those of a
Pesach, it must be eaten by the members of the group.
(b) It is possible to circumvent this problem by bringing just one Kohen
with them and appointing him a member of all five groups, and by giving him
all five chests and right calves. In fact, one set will be the Chazeh
ve'Shok of the Pesach, and the other four, of the Shelamim.
2. ... do the same thing, resolving the problem by each one bringing a Kohen
with him - because four of the animals are Shelamim and one, a Pesach, which
means that four of the Kohanim will not be fulfilling their obligation.
(c) We now reject the suggestion to bring five Pesachim and stipulate that
for those who have already been Yotze, the lamb will be a Shelamim - on the
grounds that by treating the lambs as Shelamim, one will be detracting from
the allotted time of two days and a night, allowing it only one night
(thereby causing it to be burned, should it become Nosar by the morning, and
perhaps even by midnight).
(d) It is not possible to bring five lambs and to make the above stipulation
(declaring them either Pesachim or Mosar ha'Pesach) - because how can one
declare an animal that is not a Pesach, a 'Mosar ha'Pesach'.
(a) It is not possible to use one lamb for either a Pesach or a Shelamim
because, whereas a Shelamim requires Semichah (leaning both one's hands hard
on the animal's neck) a Pesach does not.
The Gemara concludes that it is not possible to bring a lamb of Mosar
ha'Pesach and to use it as either a Pesach or a Shelamim - because even
though a Shelamim is kosher Bedi'eved with one Matanah, and even with
Shefichah instead of Zerikah, that is only Bedi'eved. But how can we to that
Lechatchilah to a Safek Shelamim?
(b) One cannot make Semichah on a Pesach anyway - because leaning on Kodshim
when not required to do so, constitutes working with Kodshim, which is
(c) The problem with this answer is that the Korban of a woman does not
require Semichah, so why not use the Mosar ha'Pesach of a woman?
(d) The Gemara dismisses the answer that ...
1. ... whereas a Shelamim requires *four* Matnos Dam (one on each corner), a
Pesach requires only *one* - on the grounds that that is only Lechatchilah,
but Bedieved, we have learned in a Mishnah in Zevachim that if the Kohen
gave one Matanah instead of four, the Korban is Kosher.
2. ... whereas a Shelamim requires *Zerikah*, the Pesach requires
*Shefichah* - on the basis of a Beraisa, which validates any a Korban whose
blood was poured instead of being sprinkled.
(a) If someone tells his children that he is Shechting the Korban Pesach for
whichever of them reaches Yerushalayim first - then the moment first one
reaches Yerushalayim, he acquires his own portion in his father's Pesach,
and he also causes all of his siblings to acquire their portions, too.
(b) The reason for this cannot be because of 'Yesh Bereirah' - because then
why would his siblings acquire a portion, too? So it must be because the
father never really intended to give *one* of his children more than the
others. All he wanted was to make them hurry up.
(c) The Gemara proves this from the story where, under similar circumstances
to our Mishnah, the girls arrived in Yerushalayim before the boys, and the
Beraisa concludes 've'Nimtza Banos *Zerizos*, u'Vanim Shefeilim', implying
that the father's intention was to make his children Zerizim, and not to
give one more than the other.
(a) According to the Tana Kama, one may join a group for the Pesach and
withdraw from it - up to the time it is Shechted.
(b) According to Rebbi Shimon, one may withdraw up to the time that its
blood has been sprinkled.
(c) The Tana Kama explains the Pasuk "ve'Im Yim'at ha'Bayis *Miheyos
mi'Seh*" to mean - that, if one wants to withdraw ("ve'Im Yim'at ha'Bayis"),
it must be "Miheyos mi'Seh" - 'mi'Chiyuto shel Seh' - as long as it is
alive; whereas Rebbi Shimon explains "Miheyos mi'Seh" - 'me'Havyasei' as
long as its Avodah is not yet concluded.
(d) They both learn from the Pasuk "be'Michsas Nefashos ... Tachosu" - that
one is permitted to join the group ("be'Michsas Nefashos"), up to the time
of Shechitah ("Tachosu"), and no later.
(a) If one member of the group invites a friend to eat with him, the other
members of the group say to him - 'take your portion and go'.
(b) This Mishnah (like the Mishnah at the end of 'Keitzad Tzolin') holds
like Rebbi Yehudah, that one Pesach may be eaten in two places.
(a) Our Tana may well permit the members of the group to ask the member with
the guest to leave, not, because they are worried about the amount of meat
they will eat, but because they do not want new members not originally
(b) The reason that they are permitted to retract from their original
undertaking to eat together with the waiter, when it becomes inconvenient,
is because they can say to him 'we included you in our group for *you*
serve *us*, not for *us* to serve *you*'. This does not mean that they can
retract from their undertaking regarding other members of the group.
(c) The Gemara finally resolves the Sha'leh - from a Beraisa, which
specifically permits the members of the group to tell a member who has a
particularly large appetite to take his portion and go.
(d) 've'Lo Od, Ela Afilu Chamishah she'Asu Siboles, Resha'in Lomar Lo Tul
Chelkecha, ve'Tzei' - means that even during the rest of the year, by a
group of people who eat together for the sake of socializing - they may
nevertheless ask the person with the particularly large appetite to leave.
(a) According to the second Lashon, the Sha'leh is whether one is permitted
to divide the Korban Pesach, to give each designee his portion, which he
takes away and eats individually, or whether they are obligated to eat it
together, sharing it among the participants like one does by a regular
(b) The Gemara resolves the Sha'leh from our Mishnah, which permits the
members of the group to send away the member who invited a guest, implying
that were it not for the guest, it would be prohibited to force members of
the group to eat individually.
(a) When Rav Huna Brei de'Rav Yehoshua queried Rav Papa (who was eating far
more than his fair share of the food) from the Beraisa, which permits the
members of the group to send the member with the hearty appetite away to eat
on his own, he replied that that is only because the sole purpose of a group
is to validate the Korban Pesach, and not for social reasons; whereas he
(Rav Huna), had acepted him in order to socialize, in which case, he had to
accept him irrespective of what he ate.
(b) The moment Rav Huna asked Rav Papa from the Beraisa of 'Siboles', which
specifically speaks about the rest of the year - he retracted and divided
the portions equally with his friend.
(c) Ravina it seems, ate twice as much as Rav Papa, so, when Rav Huna Brei
de'Rav Yehoshua had occasion to dine with him, he exclaimed 'Me'ah Papi,
ve'Lo Chad Ravina' (though this was of course, an exaggeration).
(a) The Chagigah, like the Pesach, needs to be designated.
(b) The status of the money which the owner receives from the designees for
their portion of Pesach remains Chulin.
(c) If someone sells his Olah or Shelamim with the intention that it atones
for the purchaser, the sale is invalid, and it atones for the original
(d) Even though the transaction is invalid, the money nevertheless goes to
Nedavah - as a fine.
(a) 'Ma'os Kol Shehen Yiplu li'Nedavah' - means that even if the purchaser
gave the seller more than the value of the Korban, the excess money goes to
(b) Abaye would have explained the Mishnah 'Esnan Chal Al ha'Mukdashin' - by
Kodshim Kalim according to Rebbi Yossi Hagelili, who holds that Kodshim
Kalim are considered the property of the owner, which will explain why Esnan
will take effect on them.