ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous dafShabbos 79
(a) The Shiur for carrying tanned or untanned hide and for tanning it - is
enough to write a Kamei'a on it.
(b) We see from weaving and spinning (from the fact that the Shiur for
weaving follows the Shiur for spinning - double the space between the
extended fore and middle fingers - that the Shiur of a later Melachah sets
the Shiur for an earlier one. In that case, the same will apply to carrying
an untanned hide - the Shiur will be the size on which one can write a
Kamei'a, since that is the Shiur that one is Chayav for tanning.
(c) The Shiur for a piece of hide that one does not intend to be tanned is
the same as one that one *does*.
(a) The Shiur for carrying out ...
The Shiur for ...
1. ... soaked dye is the amount that one would designate as a sample,
whereas the Shiur for carrying dyes is the amount that one would use to dye
a piece of cloth that one places inside a woman's head-covering - which is
a larger Shiur than that of soaked dye.
(b) Usually, the Shiur for one Melachah is equivalent to the Shiur of the
Melachah which determined its use. Dye that has not been soaked, seeds that
have not been soaked and sewage-water are different, because a person will
not take the trouble to soak such a small amount of dye, to carry out one
seed to sow, or to mix just enough cement for one furnace.
2. ... carrying unsown seeds - is a little less than a Kigerogeres,
according to the Tana Kama, and five seeds, according to Rebbi Yehudah ben
Beseira; whereas the Shiur for carrying out manure or fine sand, is enough
to fertilize a stalk of cabbage (according to Rebbi Akiva) or a leek
(according to the Rabbanan).
3. ... sewage-water - is a Revi'is; whereas the Shiur for cement (for which
sewage-water is used), is large enough to place on the front of a furnace
and to punch a hole in it for the bellows to fan the flames.
(c) The Beraisa, which gives the Shiur for untreated hide as enough to
cover a small weight, is speaking about *wet* hide, and hide is not fit to
be tanned until it has been dried.
(d) And the Mishnah in Kelim, which gives the Shiur for hide as five
Tefachim by five Tefachim, is speaking about hide that has been treated in
boiling water, so that it has become hard enough to sit on and to use as a
The Shiur for ordinary hide that has been dried and not boiled, remains the
size on which one can write a Kamei'a.
- ... 'Cheifah' - is the amount on which one is able to write a Kamei'a.
- ... 'Diftera' - is a piece sufficiently large to write a Get on it.
(a) Gevil that been spliced, the top section is called Klaf, and the lower
If 'Mezuzah' in the Beraisa ('Klaf ve'Duchsustus, Kedei Lichtov Alav
Mezuzah') means literally, a Mezuzah, then the Shiur for Klaf, as well as
Duchsustus, is large enough to write the two Parshiyos of Shema and
ve'Hayah Im Shamo'a.
(c) That clashes with the Shiur given in our Mishnah: namely, the smallest
Parshah in the Tefilin, which is that of Shema?
(a) According to Rebbi Shimon ben Yehudah, Rebbi Shimon renders the
Ketzitzah, Tamei, but not the Tefilin-straps.
(b) Rebbi Zakai holds that Rebbi Shimon does not even consider the
Ketzitzah to be Tamei either, only the Mezuzah - i.e. the actual Parshiyos.
(c) The Gemara rejects the contention that Mezuzah in the first Beraisa
means Mezuzah she'bi'Tefilin, on the grounds that the Seifa continues
'Klaf, Kedei Lichtov Alav Parshah Ketanah she'bi'Tefilin', implying that
the Reisha is not talking about Tefilin, but about Mezuzah.
(d) The Gemara therefore amends the Beraisa (and at the same time, answers
the Kashya) to read like this: 'Klaf ve'Duchsustus, Shiuran be'Kamah?
Duchsustus, Kedei Lichtov Alav Mezuzah; Klaf, Kedei Lichtov Alav Parshah
(a) The Gemara took Rav to mean that just as one writes Tefilin on Klaf, so
too can one write them on Duchsustus.
(b) Since the Mishnah writes '*Klaf* Kedei Lichtov ... Parshah Ketanah
she'bi'Tefilin, she'Hi Shema Yisrael', we can deduce from there that this
is not the Shiur for Duchsustus - implying that Duchsustus is not Kasher
for Tefilin, only for Mezuzos.
(c) In fact, answers the Gemara, Tefilin may be written on Duchsustus.
However, Lechatchilah, they should be written on Klaf. Therefore, one does
not tend to designate Duchsustus for the writing of Tefilin.
(a) Halachah le'Moshe mi'Sinai, both the Tefilin and the Mezuzah are
written on the part which is spliced: i.e. Tefilin on the under-side of the
Klaf (the side nearest to the flesh), and the Mezuzah on the upper-side of
the Duchsustus (the side nearest the hair).
(b) The Gemara thinks at this stage, that Tefilin are Kasher on Duchsustus,
but that Mezuzah is not Kasher on Klaf.
(c) The Gemara takes 'Shinah ba'Zeh u'va'Zeh' - both referring to Mezuzah -
to mean that whether he wrote it on Klaf (even) on the side of the hair
(the upper-side), or on Duchsustus , on the side of the flesh (the
underside), it is Pasul. (Both could also refer to Tefilin - See Tosfos,
DH 'Idi ve'Idi'.)
(d) Alternatively, Rav holds like Rebbi Acha, who says in a Beraisa 'Shinah
ba'Zeh u'va'Zeh, Kasher'. He establishes the Beraisa by Tefilin, and Rebbi
Acha is Machshir even if he wrote the Tefilin on Duchsustus.
(a) Tana de'Bei Menasheh, who says 'Kasvah Al ha'Gevil ve'Al ha'Klaf ve'Al
ha'Duchsustus, Kesheirah', cannot be referring to Mezuzah, because a
Mezuzah that is written on Klaf is Pasul. That is why the Gemara initially
believes he must be referring to Tefilin.
(b) However, the Gemara concludes, that cannot be, because Tana de'Bei
Menasheh is also Machshir on Gevil, and Tefilin cannot be written on Gevil.
(c) Consequently, Tana de'Bei Menasheh can only be referring to a
Sefer-Torah - and not to either Tefilin or a Mezuzah.
(a) According to the Beraisa, the only reason that one cannot use the
Parshiyos of worn-out Tefilin for a Mezuzah, is because it is forbidden to
use something that is more holy for a less holy purpose. Otherwise, it is
clear from the Beraisa, that it would be permitted. Now on what were the
Tefilin written, if not on Duchsustus (since we believe at this stage, that
a Mezuzah cannot be written on Klaf - so, if it was written on Klaf, how
could the Tefilin possibly be Kasher for a Mezuzah) - a proof for Rav's
(b) Who says that the Tefilin were written on Duchsustus? Perhaps they were
written on Klaf - according to the opinion of Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar
quoting Rebbi Meir, who rules that a Mezuzah on Klaf is Kasher.
(c) On the contrary, says Rebbi Meir, if anything, it is preferable to
write a Mezuzah on Klaf, because Klaf lasts longer.
(d) When Rav said 'Klaf, Harei Hu ke'Duchsustus, he was referring to
Mezuzos, and he meant that a Mezuzah is Kasher on Klaf - not that Tefilin
are Kasher on Duchsustus, which in fact, they are *not*.