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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
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SUKA 36-56 (End of Maseches) have been dedicated by the wife and daughters
of the late Dr. Simcha Bekelnitzky (Simcha Gedalya ben Shraga Feibush) of
Queens N.Y. Well known in the community for his Chesed and Tzedakah, he will
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1) ERETZ YISRAEL FOLLOWING CHUTZ LA'ARETZ (cont'd)
(a) Question: But we see from Lulav that those in Eretz
Yisrael are not restricted by the limitations of those
2) THE CHIYUV FOR ALL KOHANIM TO DO HAKAFAH WITH ARAVOS
(b) Answer: The Lulav does not override in Eretz Yisrael,
1. Question: But then the Beraisos are still
(c) Question (Abaye): Why do we single out Lulav for a
seven-day Zecher l'Mikdash but we only make a one-day
Zecher l'Mikdash for the Mitzvah of Aravah?
i. One states that they brought their Lulavim to
the Beis HaMikdash and one says that they
brought them to the Beis HaKneses.
2. Answer: One Beraisa speaks in the Mikdash and one
speaks outside of the Mikdash (but Lulav is not
Docheh anywhere after the Churban).
ii. We had resolved this by stating that one was
at the time of the Mikdash and one after.
iii. But we are now asserting that even in Eretz
Yisrael the Lulav does not override Shabbos.
(d) Answer (Rava): There is a Zecher to the Aravah in the
daily use of the Lulav (with its Aravos).
(e) Question (Abaye): That Aravah does not represent its
Mitzvah, since it is only part of Lulav!
1. Answer: He must pick the Lulav up a second time.
(f) Answer (R. Zvid citing Rava): Lulav is d'Oreisa (and
hence gets a seven-day Zecher) whereas Aravah is
d'Rabanan (and gets only one day).
2. Question: We have never seen such a thing!?
(g) Question: According to whom is Aravah d'Rabanan!?
1. Answer: According to Aba Shaul.
(h) Answer (R. Zvid citing Rava): Lulav has its basis in
the Torah outside of the Mikdash (and thus gets a seven
day Zecher) whereas the Mitzvah of Aravah outside of
the Mikdash has no basis in the Torah (it is Halachah
l'Moshe MiSinai only in the Mikdash).
2. Question: But he learns it from the plural Arvei!
3. Answer: It is according to Rabanan.
4. Question: But they hold that Aravah is a Halachah
l'Moshe MiSinai (as taught by R. Asi citing R.
Yochanan citing R. Nechunya) not d'Rabanan!?
(a) (Resh Lakish) Even the Ba'alei Mumin would press in to
fulfil the Mitzvah of surrounding the Mizbeach.
(b) (R. Yochanan) Who said this Halachah (presumably asking
who said that there is an obligation for each Kohen to
1. Question: How could R. Yochanan have asked this,
seeing that he, himself, taught this Halachah!?
(c) R. Yochanan and R. Yehoshua b. Levi argued over whether
the Aravah is a Yesod Nevi'im or a Minhag Nevi'im.
2. Answer: Rather, he was asking who taught that the
Mitzvah is with Netilah and not just setting
Aravos up along the Mizbeach (something which
could be done by just one Kohen)?
3. He further questioned as to who said that Ba'alei
Mumin are also obligated?
(d) We may conclude that R. Yochanan is of the opinion that
it is Yesod Nevi'im since R. Avahu cited his opinion.
(e) Question (R. Zeira to R. Avahu): But it was R. Yochanan
who taught that Aravah is Halachah l'Moshe MiSinai!?
(f) Answer (R. Avahu, after a moment of stunned silence):
R. Yochanan referred to the fact that in Bavel the
Halachos MiSinai were forgotten and were restored
(Yesod) by the Nevi'im.
(g) Question: But R. Yochanan taught that the Torah in its
entirety is to be found among the scholars of Bavel!?
(h) Answer: In the Mikdash it was Halachah l'Moshe MiSinai
whereas outside it was the Yesod Nevi'im.
3) THE ARAVAH
(a) (R. Ami) The Aravah must have a Shiur, must be taken
alone and one may not use the Aravah which is bound
with his Lulav.
4) INCIDENTS OF R. ELAZAR B. TZADOK, AS REPORTED BY AIVO
1. Question: If it must be taken alone then it goes
without saying that one may not use the Aravah
bound with his Lulav!?
(b) (R. Chisda) One may use the Aravah bound with his
2. Answer: We might have permitted this Aravah if he
picked up his Lulav-set a second time.
(c) Question: What is the Shiur of Aravah?
(d) Answer (R. Nachman): Three branches with moist leaves.
(e) Answer (R. Sheshes): Even one leaf and one branch.
1. Question: What is one leaf or one leafless branch?
2. Answer: Rather, one leaf on one branch.
(a) R. Elazar was brought an Aravah and he was Chovet
(waved it-Rashi) and did not recite a Berachah, holding
that it is Minhag Nevi'im (the same was done by Rav,
for the same reason).
5) THE MITZVAH OF LULAV IN THE MIKDASH
(b) R. Elazar was very impressed with the wealthy man who
asked regarding the manner in which he was paying his
workers with Shevi'is produce.
1. The man returned to ask how to properly pay.
(c) Aivo cited R. Elazar as teaching that a person must not
travel more than three Parsah on Erev Shabbos.
2. R. Elazar told him to use money.
3. Question: But this labor (Kishkush) is not
permitted on Shemitah (as in the Beraisa)!?
4. Answer (R. Ukva b. Chama): One Kishkush is
permitted (covering the roots, for the survival of
the tree) and one is not permitted (for the
enhancement of the tree).
1. (R. Kehana) This restricts him only when traveling
to his home, not to an inn (since he is not
relying on the innkeeper to have food for him, he
is not likely to be angered by its absence).
2. (Alternate R. Kehana) This restricts him *even* if
going to his home (where he may well find at least
something to eat).
3. (R. Kehana) I once came home too close to Shabbos
and there was absolutely nothing for me to eat.
(a) An Amora recited in our Mishnah that they would place
the Lulavim on the *Gag* of the Itztaba, instead on the
(b) Question (R. Nachman): Why would they put them out on
the roof (to dry)!?
(c) Answer: Rather, remember the Mishnah as Al Gav.
(d) (Rachva citing R. Yehudah) Har HaBayis was designed
with rows of such posts (Itztabaos).