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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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(a) Rav Yehudah the son of Rav Shmuel bar Shilas rules in the name of Rav,
that Shemini Atzeres in Chutz la'Aretz is considered the *seventh* day for
*Sukah*, but the *eighth*, as regards *Berachah* - meaning the mention of
Shemini Atzeres (to replace Sukos) in Tefilah, Benching and Kidush.
(b) Rebbi Yochanan disagrees with him - inasmuch as he considers it the
*eighth* day even as regards *Sukah*.
(c) This does not mean that in Rebbi Yochanan's opinion, one does not sit in
the Sukah on Shemini Atzeres in Chutz la'Aretz - but that one sits in it
without reciting the Berachah of 'Leishev ba'Sukah', because how can one
recite Leishev ba'Sukah, when it is not Sukos, but Shemini Atzeres?
(a) Rav Yosef commented that one should take account of Rebbi Yochanan's
opinion - because Rav Huna bar Bizna and all the Gedolei ha'Dor once sat in
a Sukah on Shemini Atzeres, but did not recite a Berachah.
(b) The reason that they did not recite a Berachah cannot have been because
they had already done so on the first day - because it was known that they
had been in the pasture-ground (far from the town, where they were Patur
from Sukah) and had only just returned.
(c) According to the second Lashon - even Rav agrees that one does not
recite a Berachah over the Sukah on the eighth day; and they argue over
whether one sits in the Sukah or not. Rebbi Yochanan holds that one does
(d) Here too, Rav Yosef proves that the Halachah is like Rebbi Yochanan -
because even Rav Yehudah the son of Rav Shmuel bar Shilas (the Amora who
quoted Rav in the first place) declined to sit in a Sukah on Shemini Azteres
in Chutz la'Aretz (like Rebbi Yochanan).
(a) One does *not* recite 'Shehechiyanu' on the *seventh day of Pesach*, but
one *does* recite it on the *eighth day of Sukos* - because Shemini Atzeres
is different than Sukos regarding three issues.
The Gemara gives another three reasons as to why Shemini Atzeres requires
'Shehechiyanu', all conncted with the Torah's change of Lashon: The change
(b) The three major issues that distinguish Shemini Atzeres from Sukos - are
the absence of Sukah, of Lulav and of Nisuch ha'Mayim.
(c) According to Rebbi Yehudah - Nisuch ha'Mayim was performed on Shemini
Atzeres, too, leaving us with only *two* differences between Sukos and
(d) The seventh day of Pesach too, is different than the first, inasmuch as
there is no obligation to eat Matzah as there was then. Nevertheless, that
is not sufficient reason to necessitate 'Shehechiyanu' - because, even
though the seventh day is different than the first *night*, it is not
different than the first (and subsequent) day(s), when there is no Chiyuv to
eat Matzah either (unlike Shemini Atzeres, which differs from all the
*days* that preceded it, too. Ravina replies that even though the seventh
day is different than the *first* day, it is no different than the other
days that immediately preceded it.
1. ... from "Parim" to "Par" (Rav Papa) suggests that it is a new Yom-Tov,
because otherwise - they ought to have brought *six* bulls (which is the
next in sequence following the *seven* that they brought on the seventh day.
2. ... from "u'va'Yom" to "ba'Yom" (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak) - because
"u'va'Yom", written on all the other days (following the first), implies
that each day is a continuation of the Chag. On the eighth day, the Torah
writes "ba'Yom ha'Shemini", suggesting that it is a new Chag.
3. ... "ke'Mishpatam" to "ka'Mishpat" (Rav Ashi) - suggesting that a new law
begins, unlike all the other days, where "ke'Mishpatam" implies 'like the
law of the previous days'.
(a) Rebbi Yehudah holds that it does *not* matter if they brought a
different amount of bulls than that prescribed by the Torah - because we see
that the Torah does anyway not prescribe a fixed number (seeing as they
diminished each day by one).
(b) the Rabbanan (who holds that it *does*) counter Rebbi Yehudah's proof -
by the fact that, on Shemini Atzeres, the rams and the lambs diminished,
too, so why does Rebbi Yehudah differentiate between the bulls on the one
hand, and the rams and the lambs, on the other?
(c) Rebbi Yehudah retorts that one cannot use Shemini Atzeres as a gauge -
because Shemini Atzeres is an independent Yom-Tov.
(d) Rebbi Yehudah cites Korban, Shir, Linah and Berachah as the four
differences between Sukos and Shemini Atzeres.
(a) According to Rebbi Yehudah, Shemini Atzeres is different regarding
'Shir' (referring to the Shir shel Yom), Linah (... to bringing an Olas
Re'iyah and remaining overnight in Yerushalayim) Korban (not followiing the
pattern of Korbanos brought throughout Sukos) and Berachah. Now if
'Berachah' means 'Shehechiyanu', then we will have a proof for Rebbi
Yochanan, who said that we recite 'Shehechiyanu' on Shemini Atzeres.
(b) In fact, there is no proof for Rebbi Yochanan from here - 'Berachah'
might be referring to that of the mention of Shemini Atzeres instead of
Sukos in Tefilah, Benching and Kidush.
(c) We try to prove that Berachah cannot mean 'Z'man' ('Shehechiyanu'),
because, if it did, then how can the Tana differentiate between the eighth
day and the first seven days, seeing as 'Z'man' does not apply on the
subsequent six days either. This is not quite true however, because someone
who did not recite 'Shehechiyanu' on the first day, would have to recite it
on the second, or whenever he remembered.
(a) We just explained that 'Z'man' can be recited even on Chol ha'Mo'ed. Now
not everyone has wine available on Chol ha'Mo'ed. Is this not a proof for
Rav Nachman's ruling (that one may recite 'Z'man' anywhere, if need be, even
in the market-place - i.e. without a cup of wine)?
(b) There is no proof from there, we conclude - because maybe 'Shehechiyanu'
can only be recited over a cup of wine, and the Beraisa speaks when he has
wine (and that if he does not, he will not be able to recite
(a) Rebbi Yehudah learns from the juxtaposition of the two Pesukim in Re'ei
"u'Fanisa va'Boker ve'Halachta le'Ohalecha" and "Sheishes Yamim Tochal
Matzos - that a Yom-Tov that lasts *six days* requires Linah, but not one
that does *not*.
(b) This Derashah seems to preclude Shemini Atzeres (which does not last six
days) from Linah - a contradiction to what Rebbi Yehudah just said (that
Linah does apply on Shemini Atzeres).
(c) It may be, replies the Gemara, that Rebbi Yehudah is only talkiing about
Pesach (and not any other Yom-Tov) - and that he only intends to preclude
Pesach Sheini (but not Shemini Atzeres or any other Yom-Tov of less than six
(a) Besides Korban and Shir - the Mishnah in Bikurim lists Tenufah (waving)
and Linah among the requirements of Bikurim.
(b) We think that the author of this Beraisa must be Rebbi Yehudah, since he
is the Tana who specifically includes Tenufah by Bikurim - and we see that
he includes Linah too (in spite of the fact that Bikurim does not have a Din
of six days.
(c) We reject this proof however - by establishing the Beraisa like Rebbi
Eliezer ben Ya'akov, who also includes *Tenufah* by Bikurim - so that we
have no proof that Rebbi Yehudah too, includes linah among the
specifications of Bikurim (and subsequently, SheminiAtzeres).
(a) The Torah writes in Ki Savo (in the Parshah of Bikurim) first
"ve'Hinicho" and then "ve'Hinachto". If one of them refers to placing the
Bikurim in front of the Mizbe'ach, then the other one comes to include
Tenufah (waving), according to Rebbi Yehudah.
(b) When the Torah writes in Tzav (in connection with the Mitzvah of
Shelamim) "Yadav Tevi'enah es Ishei Hashem" - it refers to the Mitzvah of
(c) Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov learns from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "ve'Lakach
ha'Kohen ha'Tene mi'*Yadecha*" from "*Yadav* Tevi'enah" - that Bikurim
require Tenufah like Shelamim. In addition, he also learns that, by
Shelamim, like by Bikurim, the Kohen had to wave it, and that by Bikurim,
like by Shelamim, the owner had to wave it (with the result that, in both
cases, the Kohen would place his hand under that of the owner and they
would wave them together).
(a) Rav Sheshes holds that one does *not* recite 'Z'man' on Shemini Atzeres;
Rav Nachman holds that one *does*. Normally, the Halachah is like Rav
Sheshes (in matters of Isur). We will not follow this principle here
however - because the Gemara specifically rules like Rav Nachman, presumably
because of the Beraisa, which specifically includes Z'man on Shemini
(b) We learned earlier that Shemini Atzeres is an independent Yom-Tov with
regard to four things: Korban, Shir, Berachah and Linah. To make up the
Si'man 'Pezer Keshev' - we will have to add Payas (the new lots that they
would draw, to determine which group of Kohanim should bring the Korbanos of
that day, and did not follow the automatic sequence that began in rotation
from the Payas on the first day) and 'Z'man'.