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Yoma 60

YOMA 59-88 have been dedicated to the memory of the late Dr. Simcha Bekelnitzky (Simcha Gedalya ben Shraga Feibush) of Queens N.Y. by his wife and daughters. Well known in the community for his Chesed and Tzedakah, he will long be remembered.


60b

1) CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF THE AVODOS
QUESTIONS: Rebbi Yehudah and Rebbi Nechemyah argue which Avodos are invalidated if done out of order. Rebbi Nechemyah says that any Avodah done while wearing the Bigdei Lavan -- whether done in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim or in the Heichal -- is invalidated if done out of order. Rebbi Yehudah says that only Avodos performed in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim are invalidated if done out of order.

Rebbi Chanina adds that if the Kohen Gadol performs the Chafinah of the Ketores before slaughtering the Par (which is out of order, since the Shechitah is supposed to be done *before* the Chafinah), it invalidates the Avodah. Even though the Chafinah and Shechitah are not done inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim, the Gemara says that even Rebbi Yehudah agrees that the Chafinah and Shechitah will be invalidated if done out of order. Since the Chafinah is needed for an Avodah done inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim (i.e. the burning of the Ketores), and, also, the Shechitah is needed for an Avodah done inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim (sprinkling the blood of the Par), they are considered to be Avodos done inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim and a change in their order will invalidate them. This is the Chidush of Rebbi Chanina.

The Gemara challenges Rebbi Chanina's suggestion from our Mishnah (60a). The Mishnah states that if the blood of the par spilled before the Kohen Gadol finished sprinkling the blood in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim, he must slaughter another Par and begin the Haza'os again. However, if he does so, it comes out that the Shechitah of the Par (the new one, that is) is being done *after* the Chafinah, and yet the Mishnah does not require him to do a new Chafinah after slaughtering the new Par, as Rebbi Chanina requires! This is the Gemara's question on Rebbi Chanina's principle that the Avodos which are needed for something that is done inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim are themselves considered to be like Avodos done in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim (so that doing them out of order will invalidate them even according to Rebbi Yehudah).

(1) REBBI AKIVA EIGER wonders why the Gemara asks this question only on Rebbi Chanina? Even without Rebbi Chanina's Chidush, the law in the Mishnah is problematic. If the Kohen Gadol slaughters another Par after he started sprinkling the blood, then he is slaughtering it after he has offered the Ketores. The Avodah of the Ketores was done inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim and must be done *after* the Shechitah of the Par. If he must slaughter a new Par, the Ketores ends up being out of order (being done *before* the Shechitah instead of after). If so, he should have to perform a new Haktaras ha'Ketores after slaughtering the new Par, yet the Mishnah makes no mention of such a requirement! Why does the Gemara not ask this question (i.e. that the Mishnah does not say that the *Haktaras ha'Ketores* must be redone), instead of asking exclusively on Rebbi Chanina's opinion (i.e., that the Mishnah does not say that the *Chafinah* must be redone)?

(2) Second, at the top of the next Amud (61a), Ula proves that our Mishnah follows the opinion of Rebbi Nechemyah. The Mishnah says that if the Haza'as Dam Se'ir was done before the Haza'as Dam Par, the Haza'as Dam Se'ir must be done again after the Haza'as Dam Par. Ula explains that it must be referring to the Haza'as Dam Se'ir which is done in the *Heichal*, and nevertheless the wrong order invalidates it. Only Rebbi Nechemyah says that the order is Me'akev when it comes to Avodos done in the Heichal. The reason the Mishnah must be referring to the Avodos done in the Heichal, explains Ula, is because if the Mishnah is referring to the Haza'as Dam Se'ir which is done in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim, it would not help to redo the Haza'as Dam Se'ir after the Haza'as Dam Par. Since the initial Haza'as Dam Se'ir was done before the initial Haza'as Dam Par, that means that the Se'ir was also *slaughtered* before the Haza'as Dam Par, and thus the Shechitah of the Se'ir would also have to be redone after the Haza'as Dam Par! Since the Mishnah makes no mention of such a requirement, it must be that the Mishnah follows the opinion of Rebbi Nechemyah and is referring to the Haza'as Dam done in the Heichal.

If so, why does our Gemara say that the Mishnah is problematic according to Rebbi Chanina (who says that Avodos done outside of the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim which are needed for inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim are invalidated when done in the wrong order)? The Mishnah is problematic in and of itself, even if Rebbi Chanina's principle is not true! The Mishnah follows the opinion of Rebbi Nechemyah, who holds that *any* Avodah performed while wearing the Bigdei Lavan will be invalidated when done in the wrong order. Of so, it certainly should not suffice to slaughter another Par and begin the Haza'os again (in the Mishnah's case of the blood of the Par spilling before completing the Haza'os), because the Chafinah will be then done out of order (before, instead of after, the Shechitas ha'Par)!

ANSWERS:

(a) REBBI AKIVA EIGER answers both questions by citing the words of the TOSFOS YESHANIM (40a, DH Nehi) and the RITVA here who suggest that according to Rashi, the Gemara's conclusion is that the only time a change in the order invalidates the Avodos is when both of those Avodos are Avodos performed in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim. There is no problem, though, when an Avodas Penim (one which is performed inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim) is done before or after an Avodas *Chutz*. If an Avodas Penim is done out of order, such as before an Avodas Chutz instead of after it, according to Rebbi Yehudah it is still valid.

For this reason, performing the Avodas ha'Ketores (an Avodas Penim) before the Shechitas ha'Par (an Avodas Chutz) is not a problem at all. The problem is only if the Shechitas ha'Par is considered an Avodas Penim -- then it may not be done before the Ketores (or the Chafinah, which is also considered an Avodas Penim). But that is only a problem if we accept Rebbi Chanina's principle that something that is done outside of the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim but which is needed for inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim is considered an Avodas Penim (see Rashi 60a, DH b'Vigdei Lavan). That is why the Gemara is only asking its question on Rebbi Chanina; according to Rebbi Chanina, the Shechitas ha'Par must be done before the Chafinah, since they are both considered to be Avodos Penim. Without Rebbi Chanina, though, there is no question on the Mishnah, because the Ketores is an Avodas Penim while the Shechitas ha'Par is an Avodas Chutz, and thus their order has no bearing on each other (i.e. there is no requirement for the Shechitas ha'Par to come before the Ketores).

The second question is also answered. We could have said that the Mishnah follows the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah and not Rebbi Nechemyah, had it not been for Rebbi Chanina's statement that the Shechitas ha'Par is considered an Avodas Penim. When the Mishnah says that the Se'ir was slaughtered and its blood sprinkled before the Haza'as Dam Par, it could be referring to the Haza'os done in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim and is following the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah. It suffices to do another Haza'ah of the blood of the Se'ir and it is not necessary to slaughter another Se'ir after the Haza'as Dam Par, because the Shechitah is not an Avodas Penim (before we knew of Rebbi Chanina's Chidush), and therefore its order has no bearing on the Avodas Penim.

(b) The previous answer is only according to the Tosfos Yeshanim's understanding of Rashi, as we pointed out. Many Rishonim disagree based on the Gemara earlier (40a) which says that if an Avodas Penim is done out of order relative to an Avodas Chutz, it is also invalid.

REBBI AKIVA EIGER explains that the first question can still be answered based on what the TOSFOS YESHANIM says in our Sugya (DH Aval b'Devarim). The Tosfos Yeshanim says that an Avodah is invalidated only if it is performed *later* than it is supposed to be, but not when it is performed *earlier* than it is supposed to be. If an Avodas Penim, done in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim, is performed *earlier* than an Avodas Chutz which is supposed to precede the Avodas Penim, according to Rebbi Yehudah it is nevertheless valid.

Hence, performing the Avodas ha'Ketores *before* the Shechitas ha'Par is not a problem at all. The only problem is if the Shechitas ha'Par is considered an Avodas Penim, as Rebbi Chanina states; if it is considered an Avodas Penim, then it may not be done *after* the Chafinah or the Ketores. That is only a problem according to Rebbi Yehudah if we accept Rebbi Chanina's principle that an Avodah which is done for something inside the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim, such as Chafinah or Shechitas ha'Par, is considered an Avodas Penim. That is why the Gemara is only asking on Rebbi Chanina: if the Shechitas ha'Par has to be redone, then the Chafinah should have to be redone after it. Without Rebbi Chanina, the Mishnah is not problematic when it says that the Shechitas ha'Par is redone without having to redo the Ketores after it -- it is not a problem for the Ketores to be done *before* the Shechitas ha'Par (and doing the Shechitah *after* the Ketores is not a problem because it is not an Avodas Penim).

However, this does not answer Rebbi Akiva Eiger's second question, that the Mishnah follows the opinion of Rebbi Nechemyah and it should not suffice to redo the Shechitas ha'Par and not the Chafinah (and Ketores), since it is clear that the Mishnah holds that the order is Me'akev all Avodos done in the Bigdei Lavan, even those done in the Heichal and Azarah. In the first answer, it was suggested that without the Chidush of Rebbi Chanina there is no problem with the Haza'as Dam Par being done after the Shechitas ha'Se'ir (since one is done in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim and the other is done outside). According to Rebbi Nechemyah, though, the Avodos done inside and outside are all the same, and thus the Haza'as Dam Par cannot be done after an Avodas Chutz, the Shechitas ha'Se'ir. A change in the order should invalidate the Avodos! Rebbi Akiva Eiger does not answer this question.

We might suggest a simple answer based on the opinion of the RAMBAM (Hilchos Avodas Yom ha'Kipurim 5:1, according to the Lechem Mishnah's understanding) and the BARTERNURA on our Mishnah. They say that the Tana of our Mishnah is a *third* opinion which agrees with neither Rebbi Yehudah nor Rebbi Nechemyah. This third Tana maintains that Avodos done in the Kodesh Ha'Kodashim or in the Heichal must be done in order, but an Avodah done while wearing Bigdei Lavan *outside* of the Heichal is not Me'akev if it is done out of order (see Chart #14). Therefore, our Mishnah would not invalidate the change in order of the Shechitas ha'Par (which is done outside the Heichal) if not for Rebbi Chanina's Chidush that it is considered an Avodas Penim.

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