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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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(a) Rebbi Elazar quotes Bar Kapara, who, in turn, quotes Rebbi Meir as
saying: 'Any limbs that were left over at the end of the day, they would
burn on a separate Ma'arachah (even on Shabbos)'. But have we not already
learned in our Mishnah that this is the opinion of Rebbi Meir ('be'Chol Yom
Hayu Sham Arba Ma'arachos') - so what is Rebbi Elazar's Chidush?
(b) We answer that Rebbi Elazar is talking about Pesulin - i.e. those
Pesulin which fall under the category of 'Pesulan ba'Kodesh' and which, once
taken up on to the Mizbe'ach, remain there.
(c) Rav Avin restricts that to when the fire has already begun to devour
them (because that is when they are called 'Lachmo shel Mizbe'ach').
Otherwise, one does not move them on to their own Ma'arachah.
(d) In the second Lashon (according to Rebbi Meir), even the limbs of a
*Kasher* Korban are moved on to their special Ma'arachah only if the fire
has already begun to devour them, but not otherwise.
(a) Rebbi Elazar concluded 'va'Afilu be'Shabbos'. Otherwise, we would have
thought that, when Rebbi Meir said in our Mishnah that on Yom Kipur there
were *five* Ma'arachos (instead of *four*) he was speaking strictly in a
case when Yom Kipur fell after Shabbos - because 'Chelvei Shabbos Kerevin
be'Yom ha'Kipurim (since Kedushah of Shabbos is greater than that of Yom
Kipur), but not if it fell during the week.
(b) Rava strongly disagrees with Rebbi Elazar in this last point - the
Mishnah emphatically writes 'be'Chol Yom', so how can we possibly restrict
the Mishnah to Yom Kipur which fell after Shabbos.
(c) Rav Huna disagrees with both Rebbi Elazar and with Rava. According to
him - it is only the limbs of the Korban Tamid of *Shabbos* (e.g. ) that are
burned on the Mizbe'ach on Shabbos, but not limbs that remained from
(a) According to Rav Chisda, in whose opinion Rav Huna refers to Tum'ah -
'Tamid, Techilaso Docheh, Sofo Eino Docheh' means that the Tamid is
*brought* be'Tum'ah (i.e. the Zerikas ha'Dam), but not *burned* be'Tum'ah.
(b) Abaye asks both on Rabah and on Rav Chisda from the Pasuk in Tzav
"be'Mo'ado" - If be'Mo'ado teaches us that the Tamid overrides the one
(Shabbos according to Rav Chisda and Tum'ah according to Rabah) then why
should it not override the other?
(c) Rabah replies that according to him, *burning* the limbs and fat-pieces
of Friday's Korban over-rides *Tum'ah* - since the *Shechitah and the
Zerikas ha'Dam* does; on the other hand, *burning* the limbs does *not*
override *Shabbos* - since the *Shechitah and the Zerikas ha'Dam don't*
either (due to the fact that the blood of Friday afternoon's Korban becomes
Pasul with sunset - the advent of Shabbos).
(d) And to answer the Kashya on Rav Chisda - Rabah explains that the Isur of
*Shabbos* vis-a-vis *burning* the limbs of a Korban Tzibur on Shabbos is
*'Dechuyah'* (pushed away reluctantly), since the *Shechitah and the Zerikas
ha'Dam* of the Korban Tzibur is *'Hutrah'* (absolutely permitted); *Tum'ah*,
on the other hand, which is only ' 'Dechuyah' to begin with, only the
crucial part of the Avodah overrides Tum'ah (i.e. the *Shechitah and the
Zerikah*), but *not* the *burning* of the limbs and fat-pieces.
(a) Someone who extinguishes the fire on the Mizbe'ach transgresses the
La'av of "Lo Sichbeh".
(b) According to Abaye, one is also Chayav (Malkos) if one extinguishes the
fire on the shovel-full of coals - for the Ketores on Yom Kipur or for the
Menorah, because, when all's said and done, it is fire of the Mizbe'ach.
But Rava maintains that, since the coal has been removed from the Mizbe'ach,
this is no longer true.
(c) Rava will agree that one is Chayav for extinguishing the coals whilst
the are still on top of the Mizbe'ach.
(a) According to the second Lashon, even Abaye will agree that someone who
extinguishes coals at the *foot* of the Mizbe'ach is Patur - it is only if
he extinguishes them on *top* of the Mizbe'ach, after they have been removed
from the Ma'arachah, that he still considers them to be 'fire of the
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(b) Rav Nachman quoting Rabah bar Avuha, renders one Chayav for
extinguishing a coal that a Kohen took down from the Mizbe'ach. Rava in the
first Lashon, and both Abaye and Rava in the second, will agree with this -
they only say Patur, when the coal was taken down specifically for the
purpose of one of the above-mentioned Mitzvos (i.e. for the Ketores on Yom
Kipur or for the Menorah), because then, they are no longer called 'fire of
the Mizbe'ach' (but not if they were taken down for no good reason).