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Previous daf Zevachim 70
1) WHICH "CHELEV" IS "TAHOR"?
(a) Objection (against Conclusion 3:i:5, 69B): We do not need
"Treifah" to exclude Tamei animals (regarding Chelev) -
we learn from "Chelev Neveilah", animals whose Chelev is
forbidden on account of Chelev, not on account of eating
a Tamei species!
(b) Answer #2 (to Question 3:i): Rather, "Treifah" (in the
verse of Chelev) includes (R. Tam's text - excludes)
1. Version #1 (Our text, Rashi): One might have thought
that the Torah is Metaher Chelev only in animals
whose Chelev is forbidden and whose meat is
permitted, but not in Chayos (whose Chelev and meat
are permitted) - "Treifah" teaches, this is not so.
(c) Objection #1: Why don't we say that the verse also
teaches about Tamei animals (whose meat and Chelev are
2. Version #2 (R. Tam): "Treifah" teaches that the
Torah is Metaher Chelev only in animals whose Chelev
is forbidden and whose meat is permitted, but not in
(d) Objection #2: (The verse regarding Chelev says) "V'Achol
Lo Sochluhu" (surely, this does not apply to Chayos,
their Chelev is permitted; R. Tam - therefore, "Treifah"
is not needed to exclude them)!
(e) Answer #3 (Abaye): Rather, "Treifah" (simply) is Metaher
Chelev of a Treifah;
1. One might have thought, since it is forbidden while
alive, like a Tamei animal, its Chelev is Tamei -
"Treifah" teaches, this is not so.
(f) Objection #1: Likewise, "Treifah" regarding Nivlas Of
should be needed to teach that a Treifah has Tum'as Beis
1. One might have thought, since it is forbidden to
eat, like a Tamei bird, it does not have Tum'as Beis
(g) Objection #2: We cannot learn Treifah, which once was
(potentially) permitted (it could have been slaughtered
before it became Treifah), from Tamei, which was
forbidden from birth!
(h) (Attempted answer): "Treifah" is needed for a Behemah (or
bird) born Treifah - since it was forbidden from birth,
we could learn from Tamei!
(i) Rejection: Even this case we cannot learn, for within the
species of (Tahor) Treifos are Behemos (or birds) born
Kosher, which were once permitted, unlike Teme'im.
(j) Answer #3 (Rava): "Neveilah" (and "Treifah", in the verse
of Chelev) teach that when an animal becomes a Neveilah
(or Treifah), the prohibition of Neveilah (or Treifah) is
Chal (takes effect) on the Chelev (even though the Chelev
was already forbidden);
(k) The Torah must teach both:
1. If it only said "Neveilah", one might have thought
that it is Chal on the Chelev, because Neveilah is
Tamei, but Treifah is not Chal on it;
(l) Question: How does R. Meir expound "Treifah" (in the
verse of Nivlas Of)?
2. If it only said "Treifah", one might have thought
that it is Chal on the Chelev, because Treifah is
Chal on live animals, but Neveilah does not take
effect on it.
(m) Answer: It excludes a bird slaughtered in the Mikdash
(even though it is forbidden to eat it, it is not
1. It says "Treifah" twice regarding Nivlas Of - R.
Yehudah expounds one of them like R. Meir, and the
other to teach that a slaughtered Treifah is
(n) (Beraisa): "V'Chelev Treifah v'Chelev Neveilah (is
Tahor)" - the verse discusses a Tahor animal.
2. R. Meir uses the other "Treifah" to exclude a Tamei
3. R. Yehudah excludes a Tamei bird from "Neveilah"
(for it is not forbidden on account of Neveilah,
rather, because it is a Tamei species).
4. Question: How does R. Meir expound "Neveilah"
(regarding Nivlas Of)?
5. Answer: It teaches that one becomes Tamei after
eating (the amount for which one is liable for
eating Treifah,) a k'Zayis.
6. Question: We already know this, for one of the
verses discusses one who eats Nivlas Of, eating
always refers to a k'Zayis!
7. Answer: We need to learn that it must be eaten
within Kdei Achilas Pras (the time to eat half a
i. One might have thought that since Tum'as Beis
ha'Beli'ah is a Chidush, it applies even if it
was eaten slower - the Torah teaches, this is
1. Suggestion: Perhaps it discusses a Tamei animal!
2. Rejection: The Torah teaches that slaughter is
Metaher, and that Chelev is Tahor;
i. Just as it is only Metaher slaughter of a Tahor
species, it is only Metaher Chelev of Tahor
3. Question: Perhaps we should learn differently! The
Torah is Metaher Neveilos (this will be explained),
and it is Metaher Chelev;
i. Just as it is Metaher Neveilos only of Tamei
species, it is Metaher Chelev only in Tamei
2) CAN BEHEADING BE "METAHER" FROM "TUM'AS NEVEILAH"?
4. Conclusion: It would not be clear which way to
learn, therefore the Torah must say "Treifah",
animals in which Treifah applies - this excludes
(o) Question (R. Yakov bar Ada): (The Beraisa says that the
Torah is Metaher Neveilos only in Tamei species) - this
implies that the Neveilah of a Tahor Behemah is Teme'ah,
but not that of a Tamei Behemah!!
5. Suggestion: We should not exclude Chayos, for
Treifah applies to them!
6. Rejection: "V'Achol Lo Sochluhu" - the Torah
discusses animals whose Chelev is forbidden and
whose meat is permitted, not Chayos, for their
Chelev and meat are permitted.
(p) Answer (Rava): Others also misunderstood this - the
Beraisa means, the Torah is Metaher Neveilos only of
Tamei species *of birds* (not of Tahor species).
(a) (R. Yochanan): R. Meir is Metaher Melikah of a Tam bird,
not of a Ba'al Mum;
(b) (R. Elazar): He is Metaher even a Ba'al Mum.
(c) (Rav Bivi citing R. Elazar): He is Metaher even a Ba'al
Mum, even a chicken or goose (which is invalid for a
(d) Question (R. Yirmeyah): (According to Rav Bivi) if a goat
was Arufah (beheaded, instead of a calf, where a corpse
was found), does it become a Neveilah?
1. Perhaps Melikah is Metaher chickens and geese, for
they are birds, just like Torim and doves, to which
Melikah applies - but goats are small animals, a
different classification than calves (large
(e) Question (Rav Noson, father of Rav Huna - Beraisa): "(The
Chelev is Tahor, but) V'Achol Lo Sochluhu" - this refers
to animals whose Chelev is forbidden to eat but is
permitted to benefit from it;
2. Or, perhaps it suffices that goats are also animals!
3. Question (Abaye): The question assumes that an Eglah
Arufah is not a Neveilah!
4. Answer: (Rav Dimi): Yes! Regarding the Eglah Arufah
it says "Kaparah", like it says regarding Kodshim
(we learn from Kodshim birds, when killed according
to Halachah (even if this was not slaughter) they
1. Question: What is the source to include Chelev of a
Shor ha'Niskal or Eglah Arufah?
(f) Answer #1: Indeed, if the calf was Arufah (as it should
be), the verse is not needed;
2. Answer: "Kol Chelev".
3. Summation of question: If Eglah Arufah is Tahor, why
must we learn from a verse - we would never think
that it is Tahor and its Chelev is Tamei (just the
opposite of regular animals)!
1. The verse teaches about the case when it was
(g) Rejection: If it was slaughtered, it is Tahor (so surely,
its Chelev is also Tahor)!
(h) Answer #2: Rather, the verse teaches about when it died
(i) Inference: Since a verse is needed to teach about this
case, it must be that Eglah Arufah is forbidden when it
is alive (otherwise, it would be like a regular
(j) Confirmation: This is correct!
1. (R. Yanai): I was taught the time when it becomes
forbidden, I do not remember;
2. (Rabanan): Presumably, when it is taken to the
Nachal Eisan it becomes forbidden.