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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Zevachim 116
ZEVACHIM 116-117 - these Dafim have been dedicated anonymously l'Iluy
Nishmas Tzirel Nechamah bas Tuvya Yehudah by her family.
1) "KORBANOS" OF "BENEI NO'ACH"
(a) (Rav Huna): "Vayikach (No'ach) mi'Kol Behemah ha'Tehorah
umi'Kol Of ha'Tahor" - Behemah [and Of] are understood
simply, and Chayos are included in "Behemah";
2) MAY "BENEI NO'ACH" OFFER "SHELAMIM"?
(b) He offered males and females, Tam and blemished animals;
but not animals missing a limb.
(c) Question (R. Elazar): What is the source that a Ben
No'ach may not offer an animal missing a limb?
(d) Answer: "Umi'Kol ha'Chai" - the limbs of the animal must
be Chai (intact).
(e) Answer #1: Perhaps this excludes a Treifah!
(f) Rejection: We already know this from "Lechayos Zera" (it
must be able to reproduce).
(g) Question: This is according to the opinion that a Treifah
cannot have children - according to the opinion that it
can, how can we answer?
(h) Answer #2: We know to exclude Treifos from "Itach (with
you, i.e. like you)".
(i) Question: Perhaps No'ach himself was Treifah!
(j) Answer #1: It says he was "Tamim".
1. Question: Perhaps this means, he was pure in his
(k) Answer #2: If so, Hash-m would not have asked him to
bring animals (Treifos) like himself!
2. Answer: It already says that he was a Tzadik.
3. Question: Perhaps he was pure in his ways and Tzadik
in his deeds!
(l) Question: Since we exclude Treifos from "Itach", what do
we learn from "Lechayos Zera"?
(m) Answer: One might have thought, the animals are merely
for company (and sterile animals are acceptable) -
Lechayos Zera teaches that they must be able to
(n) (Rav Huna): He offered Tahor animals (and birds), not
(o) Question: Before the Torah was given, there was no
(p) Answer (R. Shmuel bar Nachmani): 'Tahor' refers to an
animal that had not mated with a different species.
(q) Question: How did he know which animals were 'Tahor'?
(r) Answer #1: We can answer as Rav Chisda explained (how he
knew which species were (literally) Tehorim):
1. (Rav Chisda): No'ach passed the animals in front of
the ark, if the ark accepted (seven and seven), he
knew that it was a Tahor species.
(s) Answer #2 (R. Avahu): "*Veha'Ba'im* Zachar u'Nekevah" -
the animals came by themselves.
(a) (Beraisa (from 115B)): Before the Mishkan was erected,
all Korbanos offered were Olos.
(b) Inference: It was forbidden to offer Shelamim.
(c) Question: But it says (at Sinai, before the Mishkan)
"Va'Yizbechu Zevachim Shelamim"!
(d) Correction: Rather, all (Yisraelim and Nochrim) were
permitted to offer Olos. (But Shelamim were permitted
only to Yisrael).
(e) Inference: Shelamim were never permitted to Nochrim.
(f) This is like the opinion that Benei No'ach never offered
1. (R. Elazar or R. Yosi bar Chanina): Benei No'ach
(g) The first opinion learns from "V'Hevel
2. (The other of R. Elazar and R. Yosi bar Chanina):
Benei No'ach did not offer Shelamim.
1. This refers to Shelamim, in which the Chelev is
offered on the Mizbe'ach (but not the rest of the
(h) The latter opinion learns from "Uri Tzafon u'Vo'i Seiman"
- a nation (Nochrim) that only offers in the north (i.e.
Olos) should awaken, and will come a nation (Yisrael)
that also offers (Shelamim) in the south.
(i) Question: How does this opinion explain the first verse?
(j) Answer: "Ume'Chelvehen" teaches that he offered the
fattest animals he had.
(k) Question: How does the first opinion explain the latter
(l) Answer: It refers to the gathering of the exiles.
(m) Question: "Gam Ata Titen b'Yadeinu *Zevachim* v'Olos"
(this must refer to Shelamim, and we will offer it on
behalf of Paro!)
(n) Answer: 'Zevachim' are Chulin animals to be eaten, Olos
(o) Question: But it says "Vayikach Yisro...Olah u'Zevachim"!
(p) Answer #1: That was after Matan Torah (he was a full
Yisrael when he offered them.)
(q) Question: This is according to the opinion that Yisro
came after Matan Torah - according to the opinion that he
came before Matan Torah, how can we answer?
1. (Benei R. Chiya or R. Yehoshua ben Levi): Yisro came
before Matan Torah.
(r) Answer: The former opinion holds that Benei No'ach may
2. (The other of Benei R. Chiya and R. Yehoshua ben
Levi): Yisro came after Matan Torah.
(s) Tana'im argue about when Yisro came.
1. (Beraisa) Question: "Vayishma Yisro" - what did he
hear that prompted him to come to convert?
2. Answer #1 (R. Yehoshua): He heard about the war with
Amalek, which is mentioned just before this.
3. Answer #2 (R. Eliezer ha Moda'i): He heard about
i. "Uv'Heichalo Kulo Omer Kavod" - when the Torah
was given, Hash-m's voice was heard in the
entire world, all the Nochri kings trembled and
4. Answer #3 (R. Eliezer): He heard about Kri'as Yam
ii. The kings: Perhaps a flood is coming to the
world - "Hash-m La'Mabul Yashav"!
iii. Bil'am: No, He already swore not to flood the
(entire) world again.
iv. The kings: Perhaps he swore not to flood it
with water, but he will flood it with fire -
"Ki b'Esh Hash-m Nishpat"!
v. Bil'am: No, He already swore not to destroy all
vi. The kings: If so, what is this great noise we
vii. Bil'am: He is giving to His children (Yisrael)
a great treasure that has been hidden in His
treasure-house 974 generations before He
created the world - "Hash-m Oz l'Amo Yiten".
viii.The kings: "Hash-m Yevarech Es Amo ba'Shalom".
i. It says, "Va'Yhi chi'Shmo'a Kol Malchei
ha'Emori (that Hash-m dried up the Yarden to
enable Benei Yisrael to pass...), and Rachav
(who helped Pinchus and Kalev when Yehoshua
sent them to spy out Eretz Yisrael) said
"Shamanu Es Asher Hovish Hash-m Es Yam Suf..."
5. Question: The first verse (cited) continues "V'Lo
Hayah Vam Od Ru'ach", but after the latter it says
"V'Lo Kamah Od Ru'ach b'Ish"!
3) "SHECHUTEI CHUTZ" IS PERMITTED FOR "NOCHRIM"
6. Answer: After Kri'as Yam Suf, the men were so broken
that they could not have an erection.
7. Question: How did Rachav know?
8. Answer: It was taught, every noble (in Eretz Yisrael
at the time) had relations with her;
i. She was a harlot at the age of 10 when Yisrael
left Miztrayim, she had relations all 40 years
that Yisrael were in the Midbar.
ii. At the age of 50, she converted - she reasoned
that the merit of saving the spies through the
rope, window and flax (the Medrash replaces
'flax' with wall) would atone for having used
these for Zenus.
(a) (Even) nowadays, Nochrim may offer Korbanos on a Bamah.
4) "MACHANOS" IN THE "MIDBAR"
(b) Question: What is the source of this?
(c) Answer (Beraisa): "Daber El Benei Yisrael" - Shechutei
Chutz only applies to Yisrael, Nochrim may build Bamos
and offer on them as they wish.
(d) (R. Yakov bar Acha): It is forbidden to help them (offer
outside the Mikdash) or to be a Shali'ach for them.
(e) (Rava): It is permitted to teach them how to offer.
1. The mother of Shevor Malka (the Persian king) sent a
Korban for Rava to offer to Hash-m. Rava told Rav
Safra and Rav Acha bar Huna to get two Nochri youths
of the same age to offer it l'Shem Shamayim, where
the sea deposits mud, using wood that was never used
and a flame from new stones.
(f) Question (Abaye): You hold like R. Elazar ben Shamu'a;
1. (Beraisa - R. Elazar ben Shamu'a): Just like the
Mizbe'ach was never used by a person (for Chulin),
also the wood must not have been used before.
(g) Answer (Rava): The vessels were new (they had never been
2. But R. Elazar agrees that new wood is not needed
when offering on a Bamah!
i. (Beraisa) Contradiction: When David bought
Arnon's Goren (threshing floor) to build the
Beis ha'Mikdash there, the verse says that he
gave 600 golden Shekalim - but another verse
says that he bought the Goren and cattle for 50
ii. Answer #1: David collected from each Shevet a
quantity of silver Shekalim worth 50 gold
Shekalim, from all Yisrael this amounted to 600
iii. Answer #2 (Rebbi): He paid 50 for the cattle,
wood and place of the Mizbe'ach; he paid 600
for the place of the entire Beis ha'Mikdash.
iv. R. Elazar ben Shamu'a says, we learn this from
"Ha'Bakar l'Olah veha'Morigim u'Chlei ha'Bakar
la'Etzim" (since they would be offered on a
Bamah, used wood was acceptable)!
(h) Question: What are "Morigim"?
(i) Answer (Ula): This is the Tarbal bed (mentioned in
(j) Question: What is a Tarbal bed?
(k) Answer (Abaye): It is a wooden block with sharp grooves
for threshing grain - we learn from "L'Morag Charutz
Chadash Ba'al Pipiyos Tadush".
(l) Contradiction (Rava): One verse says that David gave 600
golden Shekalim, another verse says that he paid 50
(m) Answer: He collected 50 Shekalim from each Shevet, in
(n) Question: But one verse says that they were golden
Shekalim, the other says that they were silver!
(o) Answer: He collected silver Shekalim, they were worth 600
(a) (Mishnah): Kodshim Kalim were eaten within Machaneh
(b) (Rav Huna): They could be eaten wherever Yisrael were.
(c) Question (Rav Nachman): This implies that this was
permitted even outside Machaneh Yisrael - but this is
wrong, there were (restrictions of) Machanos in the
1. (Beraisa): Just like there were Machanos in the
Midbar, there was a Machaneh in Yerushalayim;
(d) Correction: Rav Huna meant, they could be eaten in all
*places* (Rashi's text) of Machaneh Yisrael (i.e. when
the Machanos moved to another place, Benei Yisrael took
Kodshim with them, they remained Kosher.)
2. From Yerushalayim to Har ha'Bayis was Machaneh
Yisrael; from Har ha'Bayis to Sha'ar Nikanor was
Machaneh Levi; past Sha'ar Nikanor was Machaneh
3. Sha'ar Nikanor corresponds to the Kela'im (curtains
around the Azarah) in the Midbar.
(e) Objection: This is obvious!
(f) Answer: One might have thought, it is considered Yotzei
(as if they left their place) - Rav Huna teaches, this is
(g) Suggestion: Perhaps it is considered Yotzei!
(h) Answer: "V'Nasa Ohel Mo'ed" - even though it traveled, it
is considered Ohel Mo'ed (there is no Pesul of Yotzei.)