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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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(a) We just learned that according to Rebbi Yishmael, "la'Par" comes to
include the Par He'elam Davar. The problem with this is - that the Pasuk is
written in connection with the Par He'elam Davar shel Tzibur, so why do is
it necessary to specifically include it?
(b) The Torah needs to write it, Rav Papa explains, in order to learn the
Din of Yoseres and Sh'tei K'layos with a Hekesh from it to Se'irei
Avodas-Kochavim (as we shall see). We learn that the Par He'elam Davar
requires the Yoseres and Sh'tei K'layos to be burned together with the
Cheilev - from a Hekesh to Par Kohen Mashi'ach ("Ka'asher Asah la'Par ...
Ve'asah la'Par"), where it is written explicitly.
(c) This creates a problem however - based on the principle 'Davar ha'Lameid
be'Hekesh, Eino Chozer u'Malamed be'Hekesh' (so how can we learn the Se'irei
Avodas-Kochavim from the Par He'elam Davar with a Hekesh, when the Par
He'elam Davar itself is only learned from a Hekesh)?
(d) We have solved it - by Darshening "la'Par" to include the Par He'elam
Davar (as if the Yoseres and the Sh'tei K'layos were written there
explicitly, and were not learned from a Hekesh.
(a) We cite a Beraisa in support of Rav Papa. Quoting the Pasuk in
Sh'lach-Lecha (in connection with the Se'irei Avodas-Kochavim) "Ve'nislach
Lahem, ve'Heim Hevi'u es Korbanam ... ve'Chatasam ... al Shigegasam" (which
is all superfluous). The Tana explains that "ve'Chatasam" pertains to the
Se'irei Avodas-Kochavim "al Shigegasam" - to the Par He'elam Davar shel
(b) And he explains the connection between them - by comparing the former to
the latter as regards the Korbanos (including the Yoseres and Sh'tei
(c) We ask why Rebbi Yishmael finds it necessary to learn the Din of the
Yoseres and the Sh'tei K'layos by the Se'irei Avodas-Kochavim from
"ve'Chatasam", why can he not learn it from the Pasuk "ha'Chatas" (from
which we Darshened 'Lerabos Se'irei Avodas-Kochavim'). Rav Papa answers that
we may not be able to learn the Yoseres and the Sh'tei K'layos from the
original D'rashah - because the Torah may well be comparing the Se'irei
Avodas-Kochavim to the Par He'elam Davar, as regards Haza'os which are
written specifically, but not as regards things like the Yoseres ... , which
we only learn from a D'rashah.
(a) Rav Papa confined the D'rashah "la'Par", 'Lerabos Par Yom ha'Kipurim' to
'es', 'be'Dam' and 'Tevilah'. According to Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael
however - it comes to include everything in the Parshah.
(b) When Rav Huna bar Nasan queried Rav Papa from there, he replied - that
that is the opinion of Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael, but that he holds like
Tana de'Bei Rebbi, as we explained above.
(c) Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael gives a Mashal to explain why the Torah ...
1. ... specifically mentions the Yoseres and the Sh'tei K'layos by the Par
Kohen Mashi'ach but not by the Par He'elam Davar shel Tzibur - to a king who
became angry with his close friend, and whose sin he minimized because of
their special relationship (so it is with a Tzibur, with whom Hashem is
2. ... refers to the Paroches ha'Kodesh in the Parshah of the Par Kohen
Mashi'ach, but not in the Parshah of the Par He'elam Davar shel Tzibur -
because on the other hand, when the majority of the king's subjects rebel
against him, his majesty is shattered.
(a) Rebbi Meir learns in a Mishnah in Menachos 'Pigeil be'Kometz ve'Lo
bi'Levonah ... Pigul ve'Chayavin Alav Kareis'. The Rabbanan rule 'Ein bo
Kareis ad she'Yefagel be'Chol ha'Matir'.
(b) Resh Lakish maintains that Rebbi Meir's reason is not because he holds
'Mefaglin be'Chatzi Matir - but because he holds that a person's S'tam
Machshavah generally follows on from his first Machshavah, and the Beraisa
speaks when his first Machshavah was Pigul, and the second one, Stam.
(c) He learns it from our Mishnah 'Lefichach Im Nasan Kulan ke'Tiknan
ve'Achas she'Lo ke'Tiknah, Pasul ve'Ein Bo Kareis', from which he infers -
that the other way round 'Achas she'Lo ke'Tiknah, ve'Chulan ke'Tiknan,
Pigul'. The author cannot be the Chachamim - who hold 'Ein Mefaglin
be'Chatzi Matir' under any circumstances.
(d) And if Rebbi Meir held 'Mefaglin be'Chatzi Matir', then it ought to be
Pigul whichever way round he thought. This proves - that Rebbi Meir's reason
is because, in his opinion, the second Machshavah follows the first one,
like Resh Lakish explained.
(a) Rav Shmuel bar Yitzchak establishes the author as the Rabbanan, and
'Kulan ke'Tiknan ... ', means 'ke'Tiknan le'Pigul', meaning - that the first
Matanos were performed with a Machsheves Pigul, and the last one S'tam.
(b) And the Chidush is - that the second Machshavah does not necessarily
follow the first one (to render it Pigul).
(c) We ask on him from the Lashon 'Kulan ke'Tiknan ve'Achas she'Lo
ke'Tiknan' - which implies that the first Matanah alone would render the
Korban Kasher. Otherwise, the Tana would have said 'Kulan ke'Tiknah Chutz
me'Achas', or 've'Achas bi'Shesikah'.
(d) To corroborate Rav Shmuel bar Yitzchak's explanation, Rava therefore
explains 'she'Lo ke'Tiknan' to mean - with a Machshaves Chutz li'Mekomo, and
the Chidush is that a Machsheves Chutz li'Mekomo by the last Matanah of a
Chatas Penimi negates the Machsheves Chutz li'Zemano of the first Matanos.
(a) Rav Ashi establishes 'she'Lo ke'Tiknan' to mean she'Lo li'Shemo. Either
way, we can now infer from the Mishnah - that if The Kohen performs the last
Matanah of the Chatas P'nimi ke'Tiknan, the Korban will be Pigul ...
(b) ... in which case the author cannot be the Rabbanan - who hold 'Ein
Mefaglin be'Chatzi Matir'.
(a) We answer 'Aydi de'Tana Reisha Pigul ve'Chayavin Alav Kareis ... ', by
which we mean - that the Tana could just as well have learned the Seifa by
ke'Tiknan, and it would not be Pigul because 'Ein Mefaglin be'Chatzi Matir'
(b) ... the author is Rebbi Meir.
(c) The reason that he learned it by Chutz li'Mekomo or she'Lo li'Shemah is
in order to balance with the Reisha (by Chata'os ha'Chitzonos) ...
(d) ... where he needed to learn Chutz li'Mekomo or she'Lo li'Shemah - to
teach us that in spite of that, the Korban is Pigul, because the last three
Matanos are not crucial to the Avodah, as we learned there.