When eating fish
containing bones, am I permitted to remove the bones from the fish?
As mentioned in the
previous shiurim, when separating items on Shabbos one must take care to remove the???? from
the ????? and not the psolet
from the ochel, in addition to the other two conditions, namely with ones
hand and prior to use or eating.
The reason is that
in this manner it is called Derech
Achila and not Derech
It therefore follows
that when eating fish with bones or chickens with bones one must remove the chicken and
the fish from the bones and not the bones from the chicken and the fish.
Seems to be cut and dried, where is the
Things are not so
simple as we will see.
Halacha poses the following
question: is one required to remove the meat from the bones even when eating or is it only
required during the preparation stages?
Halacha answers that the???? ???? states that there is a machlokes between the poskim.
He further adds to this saying that the Ramban and the Rosh also argue on
this very point.
The ???? ???? concludes that from the fact that the poskim
did not differentiate between holding food about to be eaten and preparing before the
meal, one is always required to remove the meat from the bones and not the bones from the
Halacha concludes that
in the above scenario we may not be able to rebuke or prevent people from removing the
bones during eating because they have on whom to rely. This clearly indicates that he
holds that one must be stringent and remove the meat from the bones and not the bones from
The Chazon Ish
says that when
grasping the meat in one hand and the bone in the other, one should move the hand holding
the meat and thus remove the meat from the bone.
Is there a possibility to nevertheless remove
the bones from the fish or chicken?
Halacha says that one may
remove the bones and suck on them or remove the bones with some meat attached. Thus one is
removing psoles and ochel together and not separating the two.
Does it make a difference whether the fish is
intended for a child?
The Pri Megadim writes that when it is
impossible to remove the ochel from the psoles, removing the psoles
is also called ??? ?????. Rav
Moshe Feinstein writes that since a
child cannot eat fish with small bones, based on this Pri Megadim one may
remove the bones immediately before eating the fish.
Rav Moshe continues
that since an adult is capable of removing the bones from one's mouth the bones may not be
removed prior to eating. If however the bones are too small to detect during chewing, an
adult may also remove the bones from the fish but only when the fish is on the way
to one's mouth.
Are there any special halachos to be
complied with when eating watermelon?
Rav Moshe says that watermelon is essentially
the same as fish and chicken. Here too one must remove the seeds from his mouth and only
when that cannot be done, one may then remove the seeds immediately prior to eating.
However Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach says that it is nearly
impossible to remove the watermelon flesh from the seed and one is not expected to put a
piece of watermelon in ones mouth and remove the seeds because it is not a normal
eating habit. Therefore one may remove the seeds immediately prior to eating. Fish bones
are different because one is usually able to remove the fish from the bone and accordingly
one may not remove the bone from the fish.
If I mistakenly separated food contrary to
the halacha am I permitted to eat it?
Halacha at the beginning of simon 319 brings a Pri Megadim who
compares Borer to all other melachos, namely that if one separated ????? (unknowingly)
against the halacha the food is ossur to eat until after Shabbos. The Biur
Halacha says that the Vilna Gaon holds that when done ????? one
may eat it on Shabbos, and one may rely on that opinion.