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The Shabbos Weekly
Halachos Series on Hilchos Shabbos

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Published by
Pirchei Shoshanim

A Project of
The Shema Yisrael Torah Network

Based on the Shiurim Given by

Rabbi Dovid
Ostroff, shlita

developed from the Chabura of the
Pirchei Shoshanim Shulchan Aruch Learning Project

These Halachos were shown by Rabbi Ostroff to
HaGaon HaRav Moshe Sternbuch, shlita



Questions for the Week of Parshas Lech Lecha

Where may one place cooked items?

In the previous shiur we learned that it is permitted to reheat solid items that are fully cooked and void of liquid. Foods such as schnitzel, kugel and cooked chicken may be placed inside a kli rishon not on the hotplate or blech. Furthermore, one may place cold kneidelach (dry) or lokshen in the soup pot that is off the fire. The pot may not be returned to the blech or hotplate, because the kneidlach and lokshen would then be placed on the heat source for the first time that Shabbos, which constitutes chazora bissur prohibited returning to the heat source.

One may all the more so place these items in a kli sheini [1] etc. As stated previously, soup nuts ( ) are deep fried and may be placed in ones soup.

What about putting matza or bread in soup?

We learned that ein bishul achar bishul there is no cooking after cooking, but baked and roasted items are different. There is a major machlokes Rishonim as to whether there can be afiya or tzliya after cooking and vice versa. [2]

What is their point of argument?

The Bais Yosef presents it as follows:

The Yeraim quotes Rabbi Yossi in the Gemora Pesachim 41a, who says that one does not fulfill the mitzvah of matzo if the matzo was cooked after it was baked. Since we see that the cooking adds a new dimension to the matzo, it is therefore ossur on Shabbos to cook food (even in a permitted manner) that was previously roasted or baked.

The Raavia counters with the Gemora Berachos 38b where the psak is according to Rabbi Yochanan who says that vegetables retain their status of borei pri hoadamah even after being cooked. The difference between berachos and matzo is that with matzo the taste of matzo is a prerequisite for the mitzvah and is modified through cooking, not because a new dimension is added. That is the reason why the gemora Pesachim says that one does not fulfill the mitzvah with cooked matzo.

What is the halacha?

For Sephardim there is a machlokes as to the Mechabers opinion. Some learn [3] that he permits placing a baked item into soup that is in a kli sheini, while others learn [4] that he permits even in a kli rishon (off the fire). The Kaf haChaim [5] cites the Minchas Cohen that it is customary to be stringent and not place bread in a kli rishon but this is permitted in a kli sheini.

For Ashkenazim the Rama [6] writes that it is customary to be stringent and only place baked items in a kli shlishi but not in a kli sheini. This means that matzo, bread, crackers and bread croutons may only be placed in a kli shlishi, not in a kli sheini.

Accordingly, if soup was poured from the pot into a plate, the plate is a kli sheini and the above items should not be dipped or placed inside. Using a ladle would render the plate a kli shlishi [7] but if the ladle rested for a while in the pot it in all probability attains the status of the pot itself a kli rishon and the plate of soup will be a kli sheini.

To summarize one may place soup nuts (usually fried, not baked) into a kli sheini. One may not place matzo, challah or bread croutons into a plate of soup that is a kli sheini. If a ladle was used, the plate would be a kli shlishi and the above items may be placed in the soup.

May one place a wet soup ladle back into the soup pot?

We learned that a liquid is susceptible to reheating and if completely cooled down it may not be reheated. Accordingly, a wet soup ladle that is left outside the pot and has cooled down may not be put back into the hot pot of soup! Practically speaking if someone wants a second portion of soup, there would be a problem returning the ladle to the pot.

The solution is to either keep the ladle inside the pot and thus avoid the entire issue, as it will not cool down, or dry it before returning it to the pot.

However, if the ladle contains soup that has cooled down, it should not be returned to the pot. If the ladle is only moist, there are many poskim who permit returning the ladle to the pot without first drying.

Is there a problem placing a cooked item onto an urn?

The problem is that the cooked item will dry out and bake. The Mishna Berura [8] indeed writes that it is a problem and must be avoided. The Chazon Ish [9] however writes that the cooked item will not acquire a roasted taste and one may reheat it above a pot. HaRav Ezriel Auerbach shlita told me that custom is like the Chazon Ish.

[1] The utensil that receives the liquid from the kli rishon, e.g. soup poured from a pot into a plate. The plate is a kli sheini. If a ladle is used the status is a different, as we will see beH.

[2] Simon 318:5.

[3] Rama, Taz 7 MA 19 and MB 43.

[4] Beer haGolah, Minchas Cohen and Knesses haGdolah.

[5] Simon 318:85.

[6] Ibid.

[7] MB simon 318:45.

[8] MB 41, MA 17.

[9] Chazon Ish chapter 37 14.


Food For Thought

Whats the issue regarding a pickle on a hot kugel?

If a gentile turned on a light for an ill person, may a healthy person use it?

What if the gentile cooked for an ill person, may the healthy person eat the leftovers?

If a Jew accidentally cooked on Shabbos, may the food be eaten on Shabbos?

Answers coming be"H next week.

Vort on the Parsha

The possuk says 'vayarek es chanichof; - Avraham led forth his trained men, where the word Rashi translates as 'chinuch'- educate, Avraham educated Eliezer in the way of mitzvoth.

The fantastic meaning of this is that Avraham and Eliezer waged battle against four mighty kings and their armies (who had just recently fought and won a major battle against five kings and their armies).

Apparently Avraham understood that Some trust in chariots, and some in horses; but we will make mention of the name of Hashem our G-d (Tehillim 20) and that multitudes are unimportant (Taam Vedaas, Rav Sternbuch shlita).

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