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1) "TANA'IM" THAT AGREE WITH R. YISHMAEL
(a) Rejection #1: (They need not agree with each other -) R.
Yishmael minimizes exertion when this does not entail
disgrace of Kodshim - perhaps regarding Pesach he permits
like Chachamim, in order to avoid disgrace to Kodshim
(that a Korban will be left half-flayed, like a Neveilah,
2) DOING MORE THAN IS PERMITTED ON SHABBOS
(b) Rejection #2: R. Yishmael ben R. Yochanan forbids
exertion not needed for the sake of the Avodah (after
flaying until the chest, the Eimurim can be removed) -
perhaps regarding the Omer he permits like Chachamim, for
the sake of the Avodah (it is better to use five Sa'im!)
(c) Retraction (Rabah): Rather, R. Yishmael and R. Chanina
Segan ha'Kohanim agree with each other:
1. (Mishnah - R. Chanina): On Shabbos, it is reaped by
one person using one sickle and one box; otherwise,
it is reaped by three people, with three sickles and
(d) Rejection #1: Normally, R. Yishmael minimizes extra
exertion - however, Chachamim want to publicize that the
reaping is on the 16th (Rashi; R. Gershom - that the
reaping is Docheh Shabbos), perhaps he agrees that three
people are used on Shabbos.
2. Chachamim say, whether or not it is Shabbos, it is
reaped (by three people) with three sickles and
3. R. Chanina forbids unnecessary exertion on Shabbos -
presumably, he also forbids unnecessary reaping on
(e) Rejection #2: R. Chanina minimizes the number of people
reaping, for the Avodah is done just as well - perhaps he
agrees that we reap the same quantity on Shabbos as a
weekday, for this is a need of (optimal) Avodah.
(f) (Rav Ashi): R. Yishmael and R. Yosi agree with each
1. (Mishnah): If the new moon was seen on Shabbos,
whether or not it was clearly seen by everyone,
witnesses desecrate Shabbos in any way necessary in
order to come to Yerushalayim to testify (Rashi; R.
Gershom - messengers may desecrate Shabbos to inform
distant places that the 30th day was made Rosh
(g) Rejection #1:R. Yishmael minimizes extra exertion when
this will not cause people to sin - perhaps regarding
Rosh Chodesh, if they do not desecrate Shabbos when it
was seen clearly, they will not desecrate it when it is
not seen clearly;
2. R. Yosi says, if it was clearly seen by everyone,
they may not desecrate Shabbos (presumably, Beis Din
(Rashi; R. Gershom - everyone) saw it.)
3. R. Yosi holds, since it is possible (that there is
no need), we do not desecrate Shabbos - likewise,
since it is possible to reap only three Sa'im, we do
not reap more.
(h) Rejection #2: R. Yosi does not allow desecration of
Shabbos on account of concern for the future, since there
is no need for today's Avodah that is Docheh Shabbos -
perhaps he agrees that when the Avodah is Docheh Shabbos
(e.g. reaping the Omer), we do not limit the exertion!
(a) (Rabah or R. Ami): If one slaughtered two Chata'os of the
Tzibur (on a Shabbos when exactly one is needed, e.g.
Rosh Chodesh - he thought that this is permitted), he is
liable for the second, he is exempt for the first;
1. This is true even if (the first was Nifsal and) the
Tzibur fulfilled its obligation with the second, or
if the first was lean (and the second was fat.)
(b) Contradiction: Rabah does not obligate in this case!
1. (Rabah): If one had two animals available for a
Chatas Tzibur (on Shabbos), one lean and one fat:
(c) Answer #1: We must delete (from a:1) the clause 'or if
the first was lean.'
i. If he slaughtered the fat one and then the lean
one, he is liable;
ii. If he slaughtered the lean one and then the fat
one, he is exempt - moreover, if he already
slaughtered the lean one, l'Chatchilah he
should slaughter the fat one (and offer it!)
(d) Answer #2: We must say that R. Ami taught this, not
(e) Question (Ravina): If (after slaughtering the second,)
the first was found to be lean in the intestines (R.
Gershom - there is no Chelev to offer), what is the law?
1. If it depends on intent, he is liable (since he did
not know that the first is lean, he had no
permission to slaughter);
(f) Version #1 - Answer (Rav Ashi): Rabah and Rava agree that
in such a case he is liable!
2. If it depends on the action done, he is exempt
(since it was a Mitzvah to slaughter the second.)
1. If (on Shabbos) Reuven heard that a child was
drowning in the sea and he set a trap to catch fish
and fish were trapped, he is liable;
(g) Version #2 - Answer (Rav Ashi): Rabah and Rava argue
about your question:
2. (Rabah): If the child was saved in the trap and fish
were trapped, he is exempt;
3. (Rava): He is liable.
i. Rabah assumes, since he heard that a child was
drowning, surely he *also* intended to save the
ii. Had he not heard, all agree that he is liable.
1. If Reuven heard that a child was drowning and he set
a trap to catch fish and fish were trapped, he is
(h) (Rabah): If (on Shabbos) doctors said that a fig is
needed to save Shimon's life and 10 people ran and each
brought one at the same time, all are exempt (for all
Melachos they had to do);
2. (Rabah): If the child was saved and fish were
trapped, he is exempt;
3. (Rava): He is liable.
4. Rabah exempts, for he says that it depends on the
action done (he saved the child, this is a Mitzvah);
5. Rava is Mechayev, he says that it depends on intent.
1. All are exempt even if they came one after the
other, and even if Shimon recovered before they
picked the figs.
(i) Question (Rava): If doctors said that two figs are needed
to save Shimon's life and one finds two isolated figs on
a tree, and one branch with three figs, which should he
1. Perhaps he should take the two, for he only takes
what is necessary;
(j) Answer: Surely, he should take the branch;
2. Perhaps he should take the branch with three, for
this minimizes reaping (one act suffices!)
3) FROM WHERE WE BRI NG THE "OMER"
1. R. Shimon only forbids reaping a larger quantity
when it entails more acts of reaping - here, reaping
a larger quantity entails less acts, surely this is
(a) (Mishnah): L'Chatchilah, the Omer must be brought from a
place close (to Yerushalayim);
(b) If no barley near Yerushalayim is ripe, it may be brought
from anywhere (in Eretz Yisrael);
1. A case occurred, the Omer was brought from (a place
called) Gagos Tzerifin, Shtei ha'Lechem was brought
from Ein Socher.
(c) (Gemara) Question: Why must it be brought from a close
(d) Answer #1 The Omer must be Karmel (soft - if it was
brought from afar, it could dry up);
(e) Answer #2: We do not pass over Mitzvos (once we find a
suitable place, we do the Mitzvah immediately.)
(f) (Mishnah): A case occurred, the Omer was brought from
(g) (Beraisa): When the Chashmonai kings were fighting each
other, Hurkanus was inside Yerushalayim, Aristobelus was
besieging it from outside. Every day, they would lower a
basket of coins from the wall, and the besiegers would
give them lambs fit for the daily sacrifice, which they
would lift over the wall.
1. An old man told the besiegers, in the language of
Chachmas Yevanis, that they will not conquer it as
long as the sacrifices are being brought. The next
day, the besiegers gave a pig instead of lambs. When
the pig was halfway up, it stuck its claws into the
wall; Eretz Yisrael shook 400 Parsah.
(h) When it was time to bring the Omer, they did not know
where to get it; they announced that anyone who knows
i. Chachamim imposed a curse on anyone that will
raise pigs or teach his son Chachmas Yevanis.
2. Regarding that period we learned that the Omer was
brought from barley from the gardens of Tzrifin and
Shtei ha'Lechem were brought from wheat of Ein
1. A mute man came and put one hand on the Gag (roof)
and the other on a Tzerif (hut.)
(i) The same occurred when it was time to bring Shtei
ha'Lechem. The mute came and put one hand on his eye and
the other on the Sichra (hole for the door bolt.)
2. Mordechai: Is there a place called Gagos Tzerifin or
Tzerifin Gagos? (Rashi - this is the Mordechai that
defeated Haman; Tosfos - that Mordechai died long
before this; the appointee over the box with money
for Kinim was called 'Mordechai').
3. They found that there was such a place.
1. Mordechai: Is there a place called Ein Socher or
(j) Three women came, each had a Ken (two birds) to offer.
One said 'This is for Zivasi', one said 'For Yamasi', one
said 'For Onasi', People assumed that each Ken was
(Chovah,) one Chatas and one Olah. (Rashi - each was for
Zivah - Yamasi means 'my Yam (sea of blood)', Onasi means
'My time (to bring a Korban, after seven consecutive days
2. They found that there was such a place.
(k) Mordechai: Perhaps each Ken is Nedavah (two Olos), in
appreciation of salvation from Zivasi (heavy bleeding),
Yamasi (danger at sea) and Onasi (a dangerous eye
(l) They asked the women, it was exactly as Mordechai said.