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Nedarim 29
1) IRREDEEMABLE HEKDESH
(a) Question (Rav Hamnuna): To where did the Kedushah go?
1. If a man told a woman, 'Today you are my wife,
tomorrow you are not' - does she cease to be his
wife without a Get?!
(b) Answer (Rava): You cannot compare monetary Kedushah to
intrinsic Kedushah!
1. Monetary Kedushah can vanish; intrinsic Kedushah
cannot.
(c) Objection (Abaye): Also intrinsic Kedushah can vanish!
1. (Beraisa): 'This ox is a burnt-offering' for 30
days, after 30 days, it is a Shelamim' - for 30 days
it is a burnt-offering; after that, a Shelamim.
2. We see, intrinsic Kedushah can vanish!
(d) Answer (Rava): The case is he said that the value of the
ox should be for a burnt-offering.
(e) Question: If so, why does the end of the Beraisa say,
'After 30 days, this ox is a burnt-offering; from now, it
is a Shelamim' (his words are fulfilled)?
1. We understand, if one is a case of intrinsic
Kedushah, and the other, monetary Kedushah, it was
needed to teach both cases.
29b---------------------------------------29b
i. One might have thought, intrinsic Kedushah
cannot vanish, but monetary Kedushah can!
2. But if both deal with monetary Kedushah - why must 2
cases be taught?
i. If a severe Kedushah (a burnt-offering) can
vanish, to be replaced by a light Kedushah (a
Shelamim) - all the more so, a light Kedushah
can vanish, to be replaced by a severe
Kedushah!
(f) Suggestion: This refutes Bar Pada, who says that even
monetary Kedushah cannot vanish.
(g) Rejection (Rav Papa): No - he can explain the Beraisa to
say, had he not said 'It is a Shelamim from now', it
would be a burnt-offering after 30 days.
1. This is as a man that tells a woman, 'You will be
engaged to me after 30 days' - the engagement takes
effect, even if the money is consumed in the
meantime.
(h) Objection: This is obvious!
(i) Answer: No - we learn, even if in the meantime he wants
to retract the engagement.
1. This fits well according to the opinion that she may
not retract during the 30 days.
2. Question: According to the opinion that she may
retract during the 30 days, we cannot give this
answer!
3. Answer: Even that opinion admits here that he cannot
retract, for saying that one will give something to
Hekdesh is as handing over (an act of acquisition)
to a person.
(j) (R. Avin and Rav Yitzchak b'Rebbi): According to Bar Pada
we can resolve R. Hoshaya's question.
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