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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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(a) All food Shiurim are a KeZayis except Tumas Ochlin (which is KeBeitzah).
2) CHANGES IN SHIURIM
(b) This exception is owing to the alteration of the Pasuk.
1. A confirmation of this may be drawn from Yom Kipur.
(c) Question: How do we know that Tumas Ochlin is a KeBeitzah?
2. Question: How does the Pasuk alter by Yom Kipur?
3. Answer: Asher Lo SeUneh in place of Asher Tochal.
4. Question: What differentiation do we make by Yom Kipur?
5. Answer: The Shiur is KaKoseves.
6. Question: Why do we need confirmation from Yom Kipur?
7. Answer: We might attribute the alteration by Tumas Ochlin to usage (syntax).
(d) Answer (R. Avahu citing R. Elazar): The Pasuk implies food which derives from food, ie. chicken-egg.
1. Question: Perhaps it means goat-kid?
(e) Answer (R. Avahu himself): The Pasuk implies the most food which may be swallowed at one time, which Chazal assessed to be a KeBeitzah.
2. Answer: The kid would not be called Ochel, since it requires Shechitah.
3. Question: Perhaps the kid is a Ben Pekuah?
4. Answer: It still requires Keri'ah.
5. Question: Perhaps it refers to a large egg (of a large bird).
6. Answer: We apply the rule of minimum Chidush (Tafasta).
7. Question: Then we should use the egg of the smallest bird!?
(a) (R. Elazar) One who eats Chelev nowadays must record for himself the amount consumed, in case a future Beis Din will increase the Shiurim.
3) SHIURIM HALACHAH L'MOSHE MISINAI
(b) Question: What is meant by Yarbeh BeShiurin?
(c) Answer: The Beis Din will obligate a Korban for a *smaller* KeZayis.
(d) Question: But then he will not have to bring a Korban, given the rule that a Chatas is only brought if one repents when he discovers that which he did not previously know!?
(e) Answer: Rather, the Beis Din will obligate a Korban only for a *larger* KeZayis.
(f) Question: How could we have thought (in c. above) that *Yarbeh* BeShiurin might refer to their determining a *smaller* Shiur!?
(g) Answer: The Yarbeh refers to the increased number of Korbanos which they would thus obligate.
(a) (R. Yochanan) Shiurim and their Onshin are Halachah L'Moshe
4) DRINKING A MELO LUGMAV (MOUTHFUL)
(b) Question: But the Onshin are written in the Torah!?
(c) Answer: We meant the Shiurim for incurring the Onshin (as
supported by the Beraisa).
(d) (Acheirim) The Shiurim for Onshin were established by the
Beis Din of Osniel b. Kenaz (Yavetz).
(e) Question: But a no one is permitted to introduce a Chidush!?
(f) Answer: They had been forgotten and he restored them.
(a) (R. Yehudah citing Shmuel) We do not mean a true mouthful,
but rather the amount which, if concentrated to one side of
the mouth, would create the appearance of a full mouth.
(b) Question: But the Mishnah speaks of a mouthful ("Melo
Lugmav" which presumably is to be understood literally)!?
(c) Answer: Understand it as *Ke*Melo Lugmav.
(d) Question: But we find the in Beraisa the words Melo Lugmav
to be literally a mouthful (as distinct from the opinion
there KeMelo Lugmav)?
(e) Answer: The Beraisa is *also* to be understood as KeMelo
(f) Question: Then how is Beis Hillel (Melo Lugmav) distinct
from R. Eliezer (KeMelo Lugmav)?
(g) Answer: Whether we mean the appearance of a cheekful without
pressure (Beis Hillel) while R. Eliezer would not make the
person Chayav until he drank a tight cheekful.
(h) Question: If so this should have been listed as one of the
Kulos of Beis Shamai relative to Beis Hillel (since Beis
Shamai obligates for a Revi'is and the relaxed cheekful of
Beis Hillel is smaller) in Ediyos!?
(i) Answer: The question was asked regarding a giant person,
such that Beis Shamai is Machmir there.
5) ACHILAS PERAS
(j) Question (the following three exchanges are between R. Zeira
and Abaye): Why should we distinguish regarding liquids
between individuals of different sizes, where we do not find
such distinctions regarding food?
(k) Answer: Chazal understood that a Koseves of food brings
every person to a state of calm, whereas people vary
regarding the amount of drink which brings calm.
(l) Question: Could it be the *every* person is calmed with a
KaKoseves, even a giant?
(m) Answer: Everybody is eased (from a moment of Inui, and thus
is Chayav) from a KaKoseves, to a greater or lesser degree.
(n) Question: How can we not differentiate between a Koseves of
heavy, satisfying foods (meat) and foods with much less
nutritional value (Lulavei Gefanim)?
(o) Answer: Again, these will bring to differing levels of calm,
but both will violate the Inui of Yom Kipur.
(p) Question (Rava): You have created a Kula in Yom Kipur by
using the time frame for a KeZayis (Bichdei Achilas Peras)
and applying it to a Koseves (such that a Koseves eaten in
slightly more than Bichdei Achilas Peras would be Patur)!?
(q) Answer (Abaye): Chazal assessed that food eaten during this
time frame calms, whereas more time does not bring calm.
(a) Question (Rava): Chazal have created a Kula by Tumas Ochlin
in that a KeZayis eaten Bichdei Achilas Peras is considered
Achilah, and yet to create Tumah in the body of the person
(Tumas Geviyah), it would take half a Peras eaten in the
same time frame (it is thus much harder to become Tamei)!
6) TZIRUF - FOODS COMBINING TO A SHIUR
(b) Answer (R. Papa): The Kula is because Tumas Geviyah is
(c) Question: But we find that R. Papa holds that Tumas Geviyah
(d) Answer: It is D'Rabanan, and the Pasuk is an Asmachta.
(a) (R. Papa) Umtza and its salt combine to a KeKoseves.
7) ACHILAH GASAH ON YOM KIPUR
(b) This is true even though salt is not eaten, but since it is
normally eaten on the raw meat, it is Mitztaref.
(c) (Resh Lakish) Tzir combines with the vegetables on which it
(d) Question: Of course!?
(e) Answer: We might have considered the Tzir as a liquid (which
does not combine with food), and now we are taught that
anything which renders a food more edible combines.
(a) (Resh Lakish) One who eats Achilah Gasah is Patur.
(b) Question: Why is this so?
(c) Answer: Because one who is harming himself with his eating
has not violated the dictate of "Lo SeUneh."
(d) Similarly, a non-Kohen who eats Terumah as Achilah Gasah
pays the principle but not the Chomesh since the Pasuk makes
one liable for eating the Terumah, not for damaging oneself