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Bava Basra 84

BAVA BASRA 82-85 - Sponsored by a generous grant from an anonymous donor. Kollel Iyun Hadaf is indebted to him for his encouragement and support and prays that Hashem will repay him in kind.

1) WHO CAN RETRACT FROM A SALE?

(a) (Gemara - Rav Chisda): If Levi sold to Yehudah something worth five (e.g. Zuz) for six, and its value increased to eight, Yehudah can retract, not Levi, since Yehudah was overcharged;
1. Yehudah can say: had you not overcharged me, you could not retract - now that you overcharged me, can you retract?!
(b) Support (Mishnah): If Reuven sold good wheat, and it was found to be bad, Shimon can retract.
(c) (Rav Chisda): If Levi sold something worth six for five, and its value decreased to three, Levi can retract, not Yehudah, since Levi was underpaid;
1. He can say: had you not underpaid me, you could not retract - now that you underpaid me, can you retract?!
(d) Support (Mishnah): If Reuven sold bad wheat, and it was found to be good, Reuven can retract.
(e) Question: What does Rav Chisda teach that we do not know from the Mishnah?
(f) Answer: One might have thought, either can retract in Rav Chisda's case (when the price was too high or low);
1. The Mishnah is when the price is correct, but the quality was not as stated;
2. Version #1 (Rashi): When he sold good and it was found to be bad, Reuven cannot retract, because Shimon can say, there was no mistake - "Ra Ra Yomar ha'Koneh" (and likewise, the seller always claims that the merchandise is good, even if he knows it is not). 3. Version #2 (Ri): When he sold good and it was found to be bad, the Mishnah teaches that Shimon can retract;
i. One might have thought, Reuven can say, there was no mistake - "Ra Ra..." (you know that the seller always claims that the merchandise is good, even when it is not).
2) THE COLOR OF THE SUN
(a) (Mishnah): He sold Shechamtis (red wheat), and it was found to be white...
(b) Inference (Rav Papa): Since the Mishnah mentions white wheat, this teaches that the sun is red (Shechamtis must refer to red wheat, and it is called Shechamtis because it looks like the Chamah (sun)).
(c) Support: The sun appears red in the morning and evening;
1. It does not appear so the rest of the day because our eyes cannot see so clearly because it is so bright.
(d) Question (Beraisa): "The appearance (of Tzara'as) Amok Min ha'Or" - as the sun appears, deeper than the shade.
1. Tzara'as appears white!
(e) Answer: It is as the sun appears regarding deepness, but not regarding color (really, the sun is red).
(f) Question: The one who asked the question understood that the sun is white - how did he understand why it appears red in the morning and evening?
(g) Answer: In the morning its rays pass through the roses of Gan Eden; in the evening, its rays pass through the entrance of Gehinom;
1. Some say, vice-versa.
3) WINE IN PLACE OF VINEGAR
(a) (Mishnah): If he sold wine, and it was found to be vinegar, either can retract.
(b) Suggestion: Our Mishnah is like Rebbi, not like Chachamim.
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1. (Beraisa): Wine and vinegar are the same species;
2. Rebbi says, they are two species.
(c) Rejection: The Mishnah is even like Chachamim - Chachamim only consider it one species regarding Ma'aser and Terumah, as R. Ila'i;
1. (R. Ila'i): If one separates bad produce to be Terumah on good produce, it takes effect - "V'Lo Sis'u Alav Chet ba'Harimechem Es Chelbo";
i. If it did not take effect, he would not bear sin!
2. But regarding a sale, all agree that some people prefer wine, others prefer vinegar.
4) ACQUISITION THROUGH MESHICHAH AND MEASURING
(a) (Mishnah): If Reuven sold produce to Shimon (for a price per unit measure) and he did Meshichah but did not measure it, Shimon acquires;
1. If he measured but did not do Meshichah, he does not acquire;
2. If Shimon is clever, he will rent the premises (to acquire immediately).
(b) If Shimon buys flax from Reuven, he does not acquire until he moves it from place to place;
1. If it was attached to the ground and he detached any amount, he acquires.
(c) (Gemara - Rav Asi citing R. Yochanan): If he measured and put it in a Simta (an adjunct to a public domain where people are permitted to rest things), he acquires.
(d) Suggestion (R. Zeira): Perhaps you only heard that this applies when he measured into his box in the Simta?
(e) Rejection (Rav Asi): That is obvious, R. Yochanan would not need to teach that case!
(f) Question: Did R. Zeira accept this answer?
(g) Answer: We learn from the following:
1. (R. Yanai (R. Yochanan's Rebbi) citing Rebbi): Partners in a joint Chatzer can acquire one from the other.
2. Suggestion: They acquire by putting on the ground.
(h) Rejection: No, by putting in the other's vessel.
(i) Support (R. Yakov citing R. Yochanan): If he measured and put it in a Simta, he did not acquire.
1. Question: But R. Yanai and R. Yochanan (according to Rav Asi) said that he acquires!
2. Answer: We must say, if he puts it in the other's vessel he acquires, if he puts it on the ground he does not acquire (Rav Asi misunderstood R. Yochanan's teaching).
(j) Question (against Rav Asi - Mishnah): If he measured but did not do Meshichah, he does not acquire.
1. Suggestion: This is in a Simta.
(k) Answer: No, it is in a public domain.
(l) Question (beginning of the Mishnah): If he did Meshichah but did not measure it, Shimon acquires;
1. Meshichah does not acquire in a public domain!
i. (Abaye and Rava): Mesirah acquires in a public domain, or in a Chatzer that does not belong to both of them;
ii. Meshichah acquires in a Simta or in their joint Chatzer;
iii. Hagbahah acquires everywhere.
(m) Answer: The Mishnah means, he acquires by doing Meshichah from the public domain to a Simta.
(n) Question (end of the Mishnah): If Shimon is clever, he will rent the premises.
1. No one owns the public domain to rent it to Shimon!
(o) Answer: The Mishnah means, if he is in a private domain, if Shimon is clever, he will rent the premises.
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